A ship history : Admiral Hipper
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A ship history : Admiral Hipper
Ciao all,
here the heavy cruiser Admiral Hipper :
Ciao Antonio
here the heavy cruiser Admiral Hipper :
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Camouflages
Ciao all,
here some more references :
http://www.forum.marinearchiv.de/viewto ... 6532#16532
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here some more references :
http://www.forum.marinearchiv.de/viewto ... 6532#16532
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German Heavy cruisers
Ciao Marcelo and all,
just to make sure I got the question correctly.
What do you mean with exactly with ' thin skinned'.
Can you explain me in more details.
Thanks.
Ciao Antonio
just to make sure I got the question correctly.
What do you mean with exactly with ' thin skinned'.
Can you explain me in more details.
Thanks.
Ciao Antonio
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Admiral Hipper vs other cruisers protection
Ciao Marcelo and all,
OK, now I am sure I got exactly your point.
YES, the Admiral Hipper class cruisers did not spend too much percentage of their tonnage on the armour.
This cruiser class was entering service on 1939, so it was designed according to the Washington agreement.
Vertical protection was only 80 mm ( Zara was 150 mm, Tone was 127 mm, Algerie 102 mm, New Orleans 127 mm, British County class was 76 mm only ).
Horizontal protection was only 60+30 mm ( Zara was 70 mm, Tone was 40 mm, Algerie 76 mm, New Orleans 76+51 mm, British County class 76 mm ).
But to evaluate those ship overall you need to consider all the percentages of their tonnage and not only the armour, but the guns, machinery, autonomy, etc etc ....
Admiral Hipper class is not considered to be the ' best ' Washington class cruiser design result, .. probably the Zara and the New Orleans were better balanced, .. but here the discussion will become very complicated.
Every country designed and unbalanced their cruisers specifications according to their needs, .. Germany went this way, big, large not much protected heavy cruisers armed with 12 torpedo tubes.
Ciao Antonio
OK, now I am sure I got exactly your point.
YES, the Admiral Hipper class cruisers did not spend too much percentage of their tonnage on the armour.
This cruiser class was entering service on 1939, so it was designed according to the Washington agreement.
Vertical protection was only 80 mm ( Zara was 150 mm, Tone was 127 mm, Algerie 102 mm, New Orleans 127 mm, British County class was 76 mm only ).
Horizontal protection was only 60+30 mm ( Zara was 70 mm, Tone was 40 mm, Algerie 76 mm, New Orleans 76+51 mm, British County class 76 mm ).
But to evaluate those ship overall you need to consider all the percentages of their tonnage and not only the armour, but the guns, machinery, autonomy, etc etc ....
Admiral Hipper class is not considered to be the ' best ' Washington class cruiser design result, .. probably the Zara and the New Orleans were better balanced, .. but here the discussion will become very complicated.
Every country designed and unbalanced their cruisers specifications according to their needs, .. Germany went this way, big, large not much protected heavy cruisers armed with 12 torpedo tubes.
Ciao Antonio
Re: Camouflages
Superb drawings Antonio!! I just picked up the HP Hipper - these will be very useful!Antonio Bonomi wrote:Ciao all,
here some more references :
http://www.forum.marinearchiv.de/viewto ... 6532#16532
Ciao Antonio
Question - what are the primary camouflage colors?
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Admiral Hipper camouflage schemes
Ciao Marty and all,
many thanks
You are right, I should have added the precise reference colours, but I hope all the interested persons will be not shy and just ask like you do.
The base was RAL 7001 Light Grey.
The Dark Grey camo patters were on RAL 7024.
For Yellow RAL 1003 and Red RAL 3010 ( Top Turrets ).
Surely on the Op. Rosselsprung camo the bow and the stern were painted white RAL 9002.
Here my model for reference :
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
.... so you can also see the swastika's position and dimensions ( bigger the white circle and thinner the swastika than standard for Admiral Hipper, just like the Gneisenau ones )
Ciao Antonio
many thanks
You are right, I should have added the precise reference colours, but I hope all the interested persons will be not shy and just ask like you do.
The base was RAL 7001 Light Grey.
The Dark Grey camo patters were on RAL 7024.
For Yellow RAL 1003 and Red RAL 3010 ( Top Turrets ).
Surely on the Op. Rosselsprung camo the bow and the stern were painted white RAL 9002.
Here my model for reference :
http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery ... index.html
.... so you can also see the swastika's position and dimensions ( bigger the white circle and thinner the swastika than standard for Admiral Hipper, just like the Gneisenau ones )
Ciao Antonio
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German Heavy Cruisers
Ciao Marcelo and all,
YES, you are right in this case.
But I think that those guidelines were supposed to be only for battleships, not cruisers.
Ciao Antonio
YES, you are right in this case.
But I think that those guidelines were supposed to be only for battleships, not cruisers.
Ciao Antonio
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Admiral Hipper Norway camouflages
Ciao all,
following the 5 camouflages Admiral Hipper changed while in Norway.
Ciao Antonio
following the 5 camouflages Admiral Hipper changed while in Norway.
Ciao Antonio
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Hipper camo story ...
Ciao all,
here some more inputs on Admiral Hipper Atlantic camouflage evolutions,... soon I will be able to post them all,....
http://www.shipmodels.info/mwphpBB2/vie ... 422#142422
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-11578/hms_liverpool.htm
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index. ... 0.html#new
Ciao Antonio
here some more inputs on Admiral Hipper Atlantic camouflage evolutions,... soon I will be able to post them all,....
http://www.shipmodels.info/mwphpBB2/vie ... 422#142422
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-11578/hms_liverpool.htm
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index. ... 0.html#new
Ciao Antonio
Another thing about Hipper is that she didnt have a separate Secondary and AA battery.
She used the twin barrel 4.1 inch High angle weapon for anti aircraft and anti ship shooting.
All the other large German ships had seprate 5.9 inch and 4.1 inch batteries for surface/air attack shooting.
She used the twin barrel 4.1 inch High angle weapon for anti aircraft and anti ship shooting.
All the other large German ships had seprate 5.9 inch and 4.1 inch batteries for surface/air attack shooting.
God created the world in 6 days.........and on the 7th day he built the Scharnhorst
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Some good news,...
Ciao Gary and all,
YES, you are right,..here you can find something good about Hipper class ships, ..
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=4305
Enjoy,.. a gift to everybody,..... free of charge,..and a special thank to Abram for hsi hard work,...
.... as working with me can be really hard, ....
Ciao Antonio
YES, you are right,..here you can find something good about Hipper class ships, ..
http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?topic=4305
Enjoy,.. a gift to everybody,..... free of charge,..and a special thank to Abram for hsi hard work,...
.... as working with me can be really hard, ....
Ciao Antonio