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Hi all.

Whilst browsing the U.boat Net - i noticed that whilst Erich Topp (Captain of U-552) had been awarded the Knights Cross but didnt seem to have the Iron Cross 1st or 2nd class.

I thought reciepients had to have an Iron Cross first before being eligible for a Knights Cross :?

Can anyone shed some light?

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Hi Gary:

Yeah, I always believe that the "Knights Cross" was an Order of the Iron Cross, somewhat like an update.

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I believe that Topp had been awarded the Iron Cross both first and second class - see the U-bootwaffe website listing of awards.
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Hi guys.

I noticed that Gunther Prien (U-47) was awarded the Iron Cross 2nd class on 25th September 1939.
He later got the Iron Cross First class on the 17th October 1939 only to be awarded the Knights Cross the following day :shock:

Obviously you did require the 2 Iron Crosses before recieving the Knights Cross.

After sinking HMS Royal Oak, the Kriegsmarine high command wanted to present him the Knights cross but couldnt because he didnt have the Iron Cross 1st class and so they "topped him up" before giving him the Knights Cross the following day.


U-boat net Prien page

Many of the Surface ship Captains had Iron Cross 1st and 2nd classes from WW1 and so this wasnt a problem when awarding the Knights Cross.

If I'm wrong then please correct me.


By the way, here's the page on Erich Topp that casued me to start the thread - it has no mention of him winning Iron Crosses :think:

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hey...
didn't Adalbert Schneider get the Knights Cross immediatly after he sank the Hood...

and i don't think he had the iron cross first and second class before that...


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miro777 wrote:hey...
didn't Adalbert Schneider get the Knights Cross immediatly after he sank the Hood...

and i don't think he had the iron cross first and second class before that...


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I presume he would have, although I am not familiar with his career record.
In any case it seems the award rquired Hitlers' approval - on May 26, two days after the DS battle.
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Hi guys.

Unlike the British Victoria Cross or the US Medal of Honour which were only given strictly for outstanding acts of valour in the face of an enemy - The Knights Cross could also be awarded for successful acts such as Prien sinking Royal Oak inside Scapa or a U-boat commander sinking over 100,000 tons of Merchant shipping.

The Knights Cross was still very highly regarded by all Germans though.
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hey....

i don't understand...
what point are u making?

isn't going into Scapa Flow and sinking one of the enemies BBs an act of bravery in front of the enemy?


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The statute of 1939 that reinstated the Iron Cross order stated that one had to have the Iron Cross II before being eligible for the Iron Cross I; similarly, one had to have both the I & II to be eligible for the RK. Likewise, higher degrees of the RK required the soldier in question to have been awarded the next lowest first.

However, particularly in the early part of the war, it was not unusual for a soldier who performed some outstanding feat to be awarded the EK I & II concurrently and the RK immediately afterwards.

The award criteria for the RK could be based on an outstanding feat of daring, contributing in a large manner to a victory, or most notably, cumulative achievement--ie, a certain number of ships sunk, planes shot down, or even a large number of missions flown (as in a recon or bomber pilot who might not actually accumulate victories per se).

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Hi Miro.

I'm not knocking Prien.
He did pull off a brave and daring act.
He deserved a Knights Cross

But I'm trying to say that the Knights CRoss could also be won for success rather than just Valour unlike the British VC or the US medal of honour.
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Hi Gary,

I have been looking for info about the Iron Cross, Knight cross and the ribbons. My previous explanation about the ribbon is wrong, I found it´s meaning and, thinking everyone would find it interesting I copy it:
Sometimes erroneously called the Maltese cross, the Iron Cross (German: das Eiserne Kreuz) is a military decoration of the Kingdom of Prussia, and later of Germany, which was established by King Friedrich Wilhelm III of Prussia and first awarded on 10 March 1813. The Iron Cross is only awarded in wartime. In addition to the Napoleonic Wars, the Iron Cross was awarded during the Franco-Prussian War, and the First and Second World Wars. The Iron Cross has not been awarded since May 1945. It is a military decoration only — civilians are ineligible.

The Iron Cross originally was the symbol of the Teutonic Knights (a heraldic cross pattée) and the cross design (but not the specific decoration) has been the symbol of Germany's armed forces (now the Bundeswehr) since about 1870.

Design


1870 Iron CrossThe Iron Cross (a black four-pointed cross with white trim, with the arms widening towards the ends, similar to a Maltese Cross) was designed by the neoclassical architect Karl Friedrich Schinkel and reflects the cross borne by the Teutonic Knights in the 14th century, which was also the emblem of Frederick the Great. When the Quadriga of the Goddess of Peace was retrieved from Paris at Napoleon's fall, the Goddess was re-established atop Berlin's Brandenburg Gate. An Iron Cross was substituted for her laurel wreath, making her into a Goddess of Victory.

In contrast to many other medals, the Iron Cross has a very simple design, unadorned, and is made from relatively cheap and common materials. It was traditionally cast in iron, although in later years, the decoration was cast in zinc and aluminium.

The ribbon for the 1813, 1870, and 1914 Iron Cross (2nd Class) was black with two thin white bands. The noncombatant version of this award had the same medal, but the black and white colors on the ribbon were reversed.

Since the Iron Cross was issued over several different periods of German history, the Iron Cross is annotated by a year numeral to indicate the era in which the Iron Cross was issued: so, for example, an Iron Cross from the First World War is annotated with the year numeral "1914", while the same decoration from the Second World War is annotated with the numeral "1939". The reverse of the 1870, 1914, and 1939 series Iron Crosses have the year "1813" annotated on the lower arm, symbolizing the year the award was first created.

It was also possible for a holder of the 1914 Iron Cross to be awarded a higher grade of the 1939 Iron Cross. A reward of the first or second class was also possible. In such cases a "1939 Clasp" ("Spange") would be worn on the original 1914 Iron Cross. (A similar award was made in 1914 but was quite rare, since there were few in service who held the 1870 Iron Cross.)


Early awards

The Iron Cross was founded on 10 March 1813 in Wrocław and awarded to soldiers during the Wars of Liberation against Napoleon. The Prussian King Wilhelm I authorized further awards on 19 July 1870, during the Franco-Prussian War. Recipients of the 1870 Iron Cross who were still in service in 1895 were authorized to purchase a 25-year clasp consisting of the numerals "25" on three oak leaves. The Iron Cross was reauthorized by Kaiser Wilhelm II on 5 August 1914, at the start of the First World War. During these three periods, the Iron Cross was an award of the Kingdom of Prussia, although given Prussia's preeminent place in the German Empire formed in 1871, it tended to be treated as a generic German decoration.

The 1813, 1870 and 1914 Iron Crosses had three grades:

Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
Grand Cross of the Iron Cross (German: Großkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes, often simply Großkreuz)
The Grand Cross was intended for senior Generals of the German Army. An even higher decoration, the Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross, was only awarded twice, to Prince von Blücher in 1813 and to Field Marshal Paul von Hindenburg in 1918. A third award was planned for the most successful German general during the Second World War, but was not made after the defeat of Germany in 1945.


The Iron Cross 1st Class and the Iron Cross 2nd Class were awarded without regard to rank. One had to already possess the 2nd Class in order to receive the 1st Class (though in some cases both could be awarded simultaneously). The egalitarian nature of this award contrasted with most other German states (and indeed many other European monarchies), where military decorations were awarded based on the rank of the recipient. For example, in Bavaria officers would receive various grades of that Kingdom's Military Merit Order (Militär-Verdienstorden), while enlisted men would receive various grades of the Military Merit Cross (Militär-Verdienstkreuz). Prussia did have other orders and medals, however, which were awarded on the basis of rank, and even though the Iron Cross was intended to be awarded without regard to rank, officers and NCOs were more likely to receive it than junior enlisted soldiers.

In the First World War, approximately 5 million Iron Crosses of the lower grade (2nd Class) were issued, as well as around 218,000 of the higher grade (1st Class). Exact numbers of awards are not known, since the Prussian archives were destroyed during the Second World War. The multitude of awards reduced the status and reputation of the decoration. One of the most famous holders of the 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class was Adolf Hitler (which was unusual as very few holders of the 1914 Iron Cross 1st Class were enlisted soldiers: Hitler held the rank of Gefreiter, or Lance Corporal).


Second World War

A stylized version of the Iron Cross, the emblem of the Wehrmacht, appeared on German planes and tanks during World War II.Adolf Hitler restored the Iron Cross in 1939 as a German decoration (rather than Prussian as in earlier incarnations), continuing the tradition of issuing it in various grades. The Iron Cross of the Second World War was divided into three main series of decorations with an intermediate category, the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, instituted between the lowest, the Iron Cross, and the highest, the Grand Cross. The Knight's Cross replaced the Prussian Pour le Mérite. Hitler did not care for the Pour le Mérite, as it was a Prussian order which could only be awarded to officers. The ribbon of the medal (2nd class and Knight's Cross) was different from the earlier Iron Crosses in that the color red was used in addition to the traditional black and white (black and white were the colors of Prussia, while black, white and red were the colors of Germany). Hitler also created the War Merit Cross as a replacement for the noncombatant version of the Iron Cross.


The standard 1939 Iron Cross was issued in the following two grades:

Iron Cross 2nd Class
Iron Cross 1st Class
The Iron Cross was awarded for bravery in battle as well as other military contributions to a battlefield environment.

The Iron Cross 2nd Class came with a ribbon and was worn in one of three different methods:

From the second button of the tunic.
When in formal dress, the entire cross was worn mounted alone or as part of a medal bar.
For everyday wear, only the ribbon was worn from the second hole in the tunic button.
The Iron Cross First Class was a pin-on medal with no ribbon and was worn centered on a uniform breast pocket.

The Iron Cross was a progressive award, with second class having to be earned before the first class and so on for the higher degrees.
It is estimated that some 2.3 million Second Class Iron Crosses were awarded in the Second World War, and 300,000 in the First Class. Two Iron Cross First Class recipients were women, one of those being test pilot Hanna Reitsch.


Main Article Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross.

The Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross (German: Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes, often simply Ritterkreuz) recognized extreme battlefield bravery or successful leadership. The Knight's Cross was divided into five degrees:

Knight's Cross (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes)
Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves (mit Eichenlaub)
Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves and Swords (mit Eichenlaub und Schwertern)
Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds (mit Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Brillianten)
Knight's Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds (mit Goldenem Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Brillianten)
In total, 7,313 awards of the Knight's Cross were made, but only 883 received Oak Leaves and 159 received Oak Leaves and Swords (including Japanese admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, posthumously). Only 27 men were ever awarded the Diamonds grade of the Knight's Cross (10 ace pilots, 2 U-boat captains, 1 colonel, 14 generals and field marshals), and Hans-Ulrich Rudel was the only recipient of the Knight's Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds.

Like the Knight's Cross, the Grand Cross (Großes Kreuz) was also worn suspended from the collar. The only recipient of the Grand Cross during the Second World War was Hermann Göring, who was awarded the decoration on July 19, 1940. The medal is in effect an oversized Knight's Cross. It had the same overall characteristics as the Knights Cross but was much larger, measuring 63 mm in width as opposed to about 44 mm for the Iron Cross and 48.5 mm for the Knight's Cross. It was originally intended to have outer edges lined in gold, but this was changed to silver before the award was presented.

The Grand Cross was worn with a 57 mm wide ribbon bearing the same colors as the Knights Cross and 2nd Class ribbons. The award case was in red leather with the eagle and the swastika outlined in gold.

The Grand Cross was not a bravery award. It was reserved solely for General Staff officers for "the most outstanding strategic decisions affecting the course of the war". Hermann Göring received the Grand Cross for his command of the Luftwaffe during the successful 1940 campaign against France, Belgium, and the Netherlands (at the same time as he was promoted to Reichsmarschall of the Greater German Reich).

The original Grand Cross that was presented to Göring (personally by Adolf Hitler) was destroyed during an air raid on his Berlin home. Göring had extra copies made, one of them with a platinum frame which he was wearing at the time of his surrender to the allies in 1945.

Several times in official photographs, Göring can be seen wearing his Pour le Mérite, his Knights Cross, and Grand Cross around his neck at the same time.


Star of the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross (1939)

This award was manufactured, but it was never awarded to any recipient. The only known example was found by Allied occupation forces at the end of the war, and was eventually added to the West Point military collection. The design was based on the 1914 version of the Star of the Grand Cross, but with the 1939 Iron Cross as the centerpiece. This award was meant to be worn like the Iron Cross First class (as a breast star). Like the Grand Cross of the Iron Cross, this award was not intended to be bestowed for bravery. It was intended to be bestowed upon the most successful General officer at the conclusion of the war.


Side features of the Iron Cross and entitlements

Officers awarded the Iron Cross were given entitlements and often wore signifying articles, for example, an Iron Cross signet ring or cloth Iron Cross which could be affixed to clothing. Also, during the Nazi period, those attaining more than one award, for example, an officer who had attained an Iron Cross 1st class, an Iron Cross 2nd class and the Knight's Cross of the Order of the Iron Cross with the Oak Leaves, were entitled to wear a pin which exhibited three Iron Crosses with an exaggerated swastika, thereby consolidating the awards.


Post-WWII


The Iron Cross is solely a wartime decoration and has not been awarded since the end of the Second World War. German law prohibits the wearing of a swastika, so in 1957 the West German government issued replacement Iron Crosses to World War II veterans with the swastika replaced by an Oak Leaf Cluster, similar to the Iron Crosses of 1813, 1870 and 1914.

The Iron Cross was used as the symbol of the German Army until 1915, when it was replaced by a simpler Greek cross. However, on 1 October 1956 the President of Germany, Theodor Heuss gave directions to use the Iron Cross as the official emblem of West Germany's Bundeswehr. Today, after German reunification in the colours blue and silver, it is the symbol of the "new" Bundeswehr. However, this design does not replace the traditional black Iron Cross and can be found on all armoured vehicles, tanks, naval vessels, planes and even UAV's of the German forces.
There are lot of things that we take for granted, as these medals, and in reality are more complex and fascinating topics. Thanks to Gary for bring it up.

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About Gunther Prien and his reception of the medal:
On 14 October 1939 Prien risked shallow water, unknown shoals, tricky currents and detection by defenders to penetrate the Royal Navy's primary base, Scapa Flow. Although most of the Home Fleet was at sea, Prien sank the battleship Royal Oak and returned home to instant fame. He was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, the first member of the Kriegsmarine to receive this award. The mission into Scapa Flow called for volunteers only, Prien had no hesitation in accepting the mission. In a token to the voluntary nature of the mission Prien spoke to his crew whilst U-47 was lying off Scapa Flow, and having briefed them announced that anyone not wishing to volunteer could leave the boat immediately. Unsurprisingly no-one accepted the offer to disembark in the middle of the North Sea. Prien received the nickname Der Stier von Scapa Flow ("The Bull of Scapa Flow"); the emblem of a snorting bull was painted on the conning tower of U-47 and soon became the emblem of the entire 7th U-boat Flotilla.

Kept secret by the German naval command was the fact that Prien had fired a total of seven torpedoes at his target, of which five failed because of long-standing problems with their depth steering and their magnetic detonator systems. These problems continued to bedevil the German submariners for a long time and particularly during the German invasion of Norway, when the U-boats were unable to keep the Royal Navy at bay.

Following later patrols and raids on Allied merchant shipping, Prien was awarded the Oakleaves to the Knight's Cross in 1940. He was killed, not long after being promoted to the rank of Korvettenkapitän (lieutenant commander) when U-47 was sunk in March 1941.

Although he was at sea for less than two years, Prien's record stands high among the U-boat aces during the Second World War. He spent 238 days at sea, sinking 30 enemy vessels for a total tonnage of 193,808 GRT.
Imagine this guy working with Admiral Marschall... :wink:
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Karl Heidenreich wrote:
A third award was planned for the most successful German general during the Second World War, but was not made after the defeat of Germany in 1945.

There was also the problem that the likely recepient had already been killed by suicide pill, taken as an alternative to being executed for treason.
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Karl Heidenreich wrote:About Gunther Prien and his reception of the medal:
On 14 October 1939 Prien risked shallow water, unknown shoals, tricky currents and detection by defenders to penetrate the Royal Navy's primary base, Scapa Flow. Although most of the Home Fleet was at sea, Prien sank the battleship Royal Oak and returned home to instant fame. He was awarded the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, the first member of the Kriegsmarine to receive this award. The mission into Scapa Flow called for volunteers only, Prien had no hesitation in accepting the mission. In a token to the voluntary nature of the mission Prien spoke to his crew whilst U-47 was lying off Scapa Flow, and having briefed them announced that anyone not wishing to volunteer could leave the boat immediately. Unsurprisingly no-one accepted the offer to disembark in the middle of the North Sea. Prien received the nickname Der Stier von Scapa Flow ("The Bull of Scapa Flow"); the emblem of a snorting bull was painted on the conning tower of U-47 and soon became the emblem of the entire 7th U-boat Flotilla.

Following later patrols and raids on Allied merchant shipping, Prien was awarded the Oakleaves to the Knight's Cross in 1940. He was killed, not long after being promoted to the rank of Korvettenkapitän (lieutenant commander) when U-47 was sunk in March 1941.

Although he was at sea for less than two years, Prien's record stands high among the U-boat aces during the Second World War. He spent 238 days at sea, sinking 30 enemy vessels for a total tonnage of 193,808 GRT.
Imagine this guy working with Admiral Marschall... :wink:
Had Prien lived and continued to directly command U-boats as opposed to being given a desk job (which promotion inevitably brings - as per the career of Luth) it would be interesting to see what his tally would have been by May 1945.

But there again why May 1945 - the war could have ended sooner if Prien et al had succeded in destroying the Allied merchant marine completely, with Prien being further decorated as he would be on the winning side....
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Karl Heidenreich wrote:About Gunther Prien and his reception of the medal:


Imagine this guy working with Admiral Marschall... :wink:
How about Marschall replacing Raeder as head of the Kriegsmarine, and Helmuth von Ruckteschell as Fleet Commander for Rheinubung.....
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