It has been some time ago now since the shell was found so such details as to exactly where and the type (HE, AP, Blind, AA) I do not re-call. Some possibilities:
Blind and AA shells could probably range farther from 30* departure angle than the 800kg AP and HE. Tommy would probably know more. (42 km was the max ballistic range of the 800kg ordnance at ideal gun elevation)
Tirpitz conducted regular drills and exercises within the fjords throughout its time in Norway, which included live fire shoots. A 800kg shell fired into the mountains during such exercises could have fallen any distance within 36km from the ship when it was fired, but was coincidently 42km from the anchorage.
A ship history : Tirpitz
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Entering a night sea battle is an awesome business.The enveloping darkness, hiding the enemy's.. seems a living thing, malignant and oppressive.Swishing water at the bow and stern mark an inexorable advance toward an unknown destiny.
Re: A ship history : Tirpitz
The shell in question was a, probably, a Spgr.m.Kz. L/4,6 fuzed with Z.Z s60 nA for use in anti-aircraft barrages. It would certainly have had the inertia to travel the distance between where Tirpitz was anchored during the attack on 29.10.1944 and where it was found; it was apparently was a dud which came down and possibly richochetted eventually coming to rest in a bog near Ullsfjord Norway. If I recall, it was found in 1967 or 1968 and was defuzed and put on display (it was repainted, but the lettering on the shell was, at least as late as 2010, incorrect.
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Hello everybody,
just for my curiosity, did anybody ever realize that the " Red Brick Houses " camouflage was applied on the Tirpitz only on one side while on construction into Wilhelmshaven BauHafen ?
Did you ever realize that on the other side she was like this, with the sea waves applied ?
Just curios, ... I know this was NOT a war time camouflage, ... it was on her BEFORE her commissioning, ... what do you really know about her pre-Norway time camouflage schemes ?
Just curious ... while we work on the next books ...
Bye Antonio
just for my curiosity, did anybody ever realize that the " Red Brick Houses " camouflage was applied on the Tirpitz only on one side while on construction into Wilhelmshaven BauHafen ?
Did you ever realize that on the other side she was like this, with the sea waves applied ?
Just curios, ... I know this was NOT a war time camouflage, ... it was on her BEFORE her commissioning, ... what do you really know about her pre-Norway time camouflage schemes ?
Just curious ... while we work on the next books ...
Bye Antonio
In order to honor a soldier, we have to tell the truth about what happened over there. The whole, hard, cold truth. And until we do that, we dishonor her and every soldier who died, who gave their life for their country. ( Courage Under Fire )
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That's pretty cool, Antonio. I think that's the first time I've seen anything like that.
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Hello everybody,
thanks Steve, ... YES that is a very unusual camouflage, ... but we will see it was NOT the only one she had to hide her with the surrounding area she was anchored close to.
Here the first " official painting " she had with the usual RAL 7000 ( Dunkelgrau - Hull ) and RAL 7001 ( Hellgrau - Upperworks ) painting scheme.
You can notice some main details never evidenced before about Tirpitz status on February 1941 :
1 ) - The Tirpitz only had 6 and not yet 8 by 105 mm twin sets : 4 new models C33 and 2 old model C31 aft; this because 4 of her new sets C33 were given to Bismarck.
The 2 missing sets were the ones more forward to the bow, called A-Anton obviously.
2 ) - The ship did have 2 sets of depth charge launchers on the stern, just like Prinz Eugen and Bismarck.
More, all perfectly correlated with never published photos, you can find in this book on her from the construction until May 1941.
http://bismarck-tirpitz.com/
Bye Antonio
thanks Steve, ... YES that is a very unusual camouflage, ... but we will see it was NOT the only one she had to hide her with the surrounding area she was anchored close to.
Here the first " official painting " she had with the usual RAL 7000 ( Dunkelgrau - Hull ) and RAL 7001 ( Hellgrau - Upperworks ) painting scheme.
You can notice some main details never evidenced before about Tirpitz status on February 1941 :
1 ) - The Tirpitz only had 6 and not yet 8 by 105 mm twin sets : 4 new models C33 and 2 old model C31 aft; this because 4 of her new sets C33 were given to Bismarck.
The 2 missing sets were the ones more forward to the bow, called A-Anton obviously.
2 ) - The ship did have 2 sets of depth charge launchers on the stern, just like Prinz Eugen and Bismarck.
More, all perfectly correlated with never published photos, you can find in this book on her from the construction until May 1941.
http://bismarck-tirpitz.com/
Bye Antonio
In order to honor a soldier, we have to tell the truth about what happened over there. The whole, hard, cold truth. And until we do that, we dishonor her and every soldier who died, who gave their life for their country. ( Courage Under Fire )
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Hello everybody,
70 years ago today ... the Tirpitz was sunk near Hakoya in Tromso.
RIP to her brave crew and the beautiful warship they where into while capsizing.
Bye Antonio
70 years ago today ... the Tirpitz was sunk near Hakoya in Tromso.
RIP to her brave crew and the beautiful warship they where into while capsizing.
Bye Antonio
In order to honor a soldier, we have to tell the truth about what happened over there. The whole, hard, cold truth. And until we do that, we dishonor her and every soldier who died, who gave their life for their country. ( Courage Under Fire )