Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
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Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
This is an incredible interesting documentary of Michael Wittman and Villers Bocage:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFEux4N ... 1&index=29
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42Ztr1o ... re=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4MW-MIB ... re=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soc3bIgC ... re=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFbPMbmW ... re=related
Regards,
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IFEux4N ... 1&index=29
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e42Ztr1o ... re=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4MW-MIB ... re=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soc3bIgC ... re=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFbPMbmW ... re=related
Regards,
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
Thre is also one new documentary on Dicovery World about Wittman and his death. Very interesting, as it brings several experts into the game.
They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage.
Brilliant tank commander. The stuff of legends
They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage.
Brilliant tank commander. The stuff of legends
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It does pose the question as to how Wittmann would have performed in the North African campaign under Rommel, although of course he would not be operating with Tigers.
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
alecsandros wrote:Thre is also one new documentary on Dicovery World about Wittman and his death. Very interesting, as it brings several experts into the game.
They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage.
Why wait for a TV show to tell you something I established years ago?
I first said it online in 2002
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 844#p26844
"As for his tally of tanks that day, 4 RHQ Cromwells, 1 OP Sherman, 3 Stuarts, 1 Cromwell in Villers for sure.
It then depends on where he joined the N175 for his final total. As A Squadron lost 4 Fireflys it is said Wittmann hit one of them and an unknown number of Cromwells on his way down to the Stuarts. But the bulk of A Squadron was at point 213 and photos show that some of these tanks on the road were abandoned intact(Dunlops RHA tank was set on fire later)It cant have been more than 3 or 4".
And here just a few months back:
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1956&p=28398#p28398
"The absolute maximum number of tanks that Wittmann could possibly have knocked out was 11-12".
It was hard work but worth it to end the myth of 25 tanks destroyed by Wittmann.
If you are in the market for more original research then I can inform you that apart from the 8 tanks that Wittmann is known to have engaged there is only 1 more in a position where he says he engaged 2. It looks like the total now can only be 9!
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
So you can't make a simple distinction...
Between "They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage" and "I think... bla bla".
There's a big difference, kid. Learn it.
And stop flaming the forum.
And, if you are so much of a demonstrator, and myth busting overlord, why do you waste your precious wisdom on random internet forums instead of focusing on writing a book?
Between "They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage" and "I think... bla bla".
There's a big difference, kid. Learn it.
And stop flaming the forum.
And, if you are so much of a demonstrator, and myth busting overlord, why do you waste your precious wisdom on random internet forums instead of focusing on writing a book?
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No difference at all. I know for a fact. Have known it for years.alecsandros wrote:So you can't make a simple distinction...
Between "They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage" and "I think... bla bla".
There's a big difference, kid. Learn it.
Still working on the 3 tanks Wittmann says he destroyed on the RN 175 and as I told you earlier 2 of them do not seem to exist.
9 destroyed tanks it is, not 12.
Watch out for the 'experts' catching up in about 8 years time.
Here again is what I revealed in 2002(8 years ago)
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 844#p26844
"As for his tally of tanks that day, 4 RHQ Cromwells, 1 OP Sherman, 3 Stuarts, 1 Cromwell in Villers for sure.
It then depends on where he joined the N175 for his final total. As A Squadron lost 4 Fireflys it is said Wittmann hit one of them and an unknown number of Cromwells on his way down to the Stuarts. But the bulk of A Squadron was at point 213 and photos show that some of these tanks on the road were abandoned intact(Dunlops RHA tank was set on fire later)It cant have been more than 3 or 4".
What? you are complaining I give you my results for free instead of charging you money for it?alecsandros wrote:if you are so much of a demonstrator, and myth busting overlord, why do you waste your precious wisdom on random internet forums instead of focusing on writing a book?
I let others publish my work:
The artwork shown here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/th ... 1O+Chelsea
Is taken from the info I gave here:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/th ... +Normandie
Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
Just because you don't agree with a person, that doesn't make his posts spam.
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
If it quacks like a duck, moves like a duck, flies like a duck... It's a duck.Bgile wrote:Just because you don't agree with a person, that doesn't make his posts spam.
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That would be 25 ducks downgraded to 12 ducks when in actual fact it was only 9 ducks!.
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??? why this response? He's posted info that he can suport and you post insutls?alecsandros wrote:So you can't make a simple distinction...
Between "They credit him with 12 destroyed tanks at Villers-Bocage" and "I think... bla bla".
There's a big difference, kid. Learn it.
Where has he "flamed the forum"? At times his post may be a bit "insensitive" but he usually has pretty hard data to back them up.And stop flaming the forum. ...
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
mkenny:
with all due respect I didn't post the videos for you to come and comment on them. The total of tanks destroyed at Viller Bocage, being 9 or 12 or 25 only tells you that we have a confirmation on the 5 to 1 overall of Tigers vs. Allied tanks. Having said that I don't think there is nothing else to share with you.
with all due respect I didn't post the videos for you to come and comment on them. The total of tanks destroyed at Viller Bocage, being 9 or 12 or 25 only tells you that we have a confirmation on the 5 to 1 overall of Tigers vs. Allied tanks. Having said that I don't think there is nothing else to share with you.
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
Alecsandros:
Please, check these two links which are more than very clear:
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers-02.htm
http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html
Please, check these two links which are more than very clear:
http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tigers-02.htm
http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html
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Re: Michael Wittman and Tiger tanks
25 British tanks lost and at least 6 Tigers (see Schneider) might give you 4:1 but that means you ignore the Pz IV's lost.Karl Heidenreich wrote: The total of tanks destroyed at Viller Bocage, being 9 or 12 or 25 only tells you that we have a confirmation on the 5 to 1 overall of Tigers vs. Allied tanks. .
They knock it down to 2:1
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And if you want to state it in tons I suspect the ratio is even lower. Comic books aside putting several Stuarts up against a Tiger is normally going to result in several lost Stuarts.
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3 Stuarts and 3 Artillery OP tanks among the 25 British tanks lost.lwd wrote:And if you want to state it in tons I suspect the ratio is even lower. Comic books aside putting several Stuarts up against a Tiger is normally going to result in several lost Stuarts.