Re: May 10
Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 1:17 pm
Today it is seventy years since this great offensive started......
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And now it is seventy one........RF wrote:Today it is seventy years since this great offensive started......
Karl Heidenreich wrote:Since the 1870 von Moltke's (the elder) action in the Franco-Prussian war the May 10th 1940's one was (and it still is) the most daring and perfect military invasion ever performed up to date (even more than Desert Storm in the means that the 1991 operation failed to finish Saddam and a new operation was required in 2003). It can be regarded as classical and academic.
The objective of Desert Storm was to Kick the Iraqis out of Kuwait. It accomplished that objective. There was never any intention to go to Bagdad.Karl Heidenreich wrote:Since the 1870 von Moltke's (the elder) action in the Franco-Prussian war the May 10th 1940's one was (and it still is) the most daring and perfect military invasion ever performed up to date (even more than Desert Storm in the means that the 1991 operation failed to finish Saddam and a new operation was required in 2003). It can be regarded as classical and academic.
It was a failure because Saddam Hussein remained in power. It took another war to remove him... thirteen years later.Byron Angel wrote:..... The "failure" of the 1991 operation to remove Hussein and the Ba'athists from power in Iraq was not a failure; it was a promise given by the US to the Saudis (and probably the other Arab states) in return for their support and cooperation.Karl Heidenreich wrote:.....even more than Desert Storm in the means that the 1991 operation failed to finish Saddam and a new operation was required in 2003)......
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A limited war and half a victory. They should have gone right into Iraq and finished the job.Bgile wrote: The objective of Desert Storm was to Kick the Iraqis out of Kuwait. It accomplished that objective. There was never any intention to go to Bagdad.
That is true. But the premise was the invasion of France only, concluding in the Armistice of 22 June 1940.Bgile wrote: On the other hand, the Germans failed to stop the British army from escaping across the channel.
By that logic the German invasion of France failed since it didn't knock Britain out of the war.RF wrote:It was a failure because Saddam Hussein remained in power. It took another war to remove him... thirteen years later.Byron Angel wrote:..... The "failure" of the 1991 operation to remove Hussein and the Ba'athists from power in Iraq was not a failure; it was a promise given by the US to the Saudis (and probably the other Arab states) in return for their support and cooperation.Karl Heidenreich wrote:.....even more than Desert Storm in the means that the 1991 operation failed to finish Saddam and a new operation was required in 2003)......
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Exactly. And the purpose of Desert Storm was to eject the Iraqis from Kuwait.RF wrote:That is true. But the premise was the invasion of France only, concluding in the Armistice of 22 June 1940.Bgile wrote: On the other hand, the Germans failed to stop the British army from escaping across the channel.
That was a limited premise, as obviously the operation failed to finish the war. Or prevent the Resistance and the Free French from continuing the war.