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Hello Antonio From Geoffrey Brooke ........sent his boy messenger down to tell the Captain that the main armament was alright (he did not know it, but at that moment there were 5 guns out of action). Official Damage Report Effect on Fighting Efficiency : Port H.A. director out of action. Starboard H...

Hello Antonio, I will leave you to add your now traditional criticism of those elements of his account which do not suit your scenario but Geoffrey Brooke (he has sold his book and doesn't to sell a New Perspective [omnia dicta fortiora si dicta Latina] in "Alarm Starboard" says Sub-Lieute...

Hi Antonio, Yes precisely. In the excitement of action it is entirely reasonable Coates confused the effects of the shell which hit the crane and then exploded on the far side of the funnel from him, with the events associated with that which hit forward and high above him. Let us remind ourselves w...

Hi Alberto, (or it Antonio?)

Don't forget the Walrus is close to launch. It is positioned at the extreme port end of the catapult with half the aircraft projecting over the side.

All the best

wadinga

Hi Marc,

Well spotted but surely all of us have forgotten our own name from time to time.......



All the best

wadinga

Hi Alberto, Looking at the side elevation in Raven & Roberts it is clear you are correct and that the Catapult officer's platform is at Boat deck level but directly in front of the funnel ie sheltered from direct fragment path. My estimate is that a standing man looking at the horizon can see ov...

Indeed Dave, You make a very good point, but one which will have to be ignored whilst we get on with denigrating Leach's report. :wink: However I personally cannot ignore Clift's evidence , since I spent several years on analogue streamer seismic ships doing exactly the same thing. Joining hundreds ...

Hi Alberto, GOOD defence, you boys have just made it to number 1700 Maxim Gorky Street...............STALINGRAD! Next is number 1698 Maxim Gorky Street! Good Luck! :D Is is indeed important that the crane hit was identified as 15" but that identification does not render Coates' evidence imagina...

Hello Antonio, I have just been listening to the various IWM recordings and there is fascinating detail there. Unfortunately there is ambiguity as well. Clift the electrician in the TS definitely says the forward starboard director was disabled. Gaynor, who is driving the director right and left as ...

All, Clift, quoted by Antonio near the beginning of the thread, monitoring the performance of both forward directors says All of a sudden we had been hit, … which made an effect to our gunnery … because it shot away our starboard director, …which was the rangefinder for the HA …. And … He is using &...

Antonio,

Thank you for showing the evidence about the crane hit. Only by such verification can the truth be determined.

The defence of these officers' reputation continues.

All the best

wadinga

Alberto,

Calm down Dear.

That was Duncan not me

Glad we manged to get the Crane hit report......what about an original scan.......

All the best
wadinga

Hi Antonio, Jeez! The effort you have to go to provoke a straight answer to a straight question. Still it worked! :D Mind you, I'd prefer a scan of original document since, well people are getting pretty worked-up now, and.......... Assimilating the info about the crane hit now. Henry Leach's commen...

Hi Alberto, Thanks for being so open about what is going on and for your efforts to get some information through to us. :wink: I had already to implore to get permission to share with all of you If you can't get "permission" to supply confirming evidence :silenced: then the chances of anyt...

Hello Alberto, Antonio quoted the following words Since the hit was a 380 mm ( 15 inches ) from Bismarck : " Examination of the shell fragments recovered indicated that partial detonation occurred and that the shell was a 15 inch calibre ( 380 mm from Bismarck ) " ... extract taken from th...