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by HMSVF
Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Hello everybody, while I agree with Mr.Jurens that " Gunnery can only really be compared fairly when the sample is large and when conditions are closely controlled... ", I would however still say that in the actual, short battle that was fought by the 3 battleships, PoW fired in a way tha...
by HMSVF
Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:09 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

OK, Gentlement, it's clearly time for both sides to begin backing off a bit. I did make a posting suggesting this earlier today, but for some reason -- this seems to happen about 10% of the time -- it never appeared, and I can see that since that time, things have gotten considerably more belligere...
by HMSVF
Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Gentlemen, In a previous post Dunmunro wrote: Except that Mcmullen excluded the salvos fired via local control and also any salvos requested but not fired after Y turret ran out of ammunition. I'm a little puzzled by this, surely given the relatively small amount of shells fired during the engageme...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:34 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: The Catastrophic Sinking of HMS Glorious in 1940
Replies: 17
Views: 12397

Re: The Catastrophic Sinking of HMS Glorious in 1940

Hello All, D'Oyly-Hughes undoubtedly exploited the confused command hierarchy for his own motives. Nominally a Home Fleet ship and thus under C in C HF Forbes' command, Glorious like Ark Royal was being seconded to Lord Cork and Orrery (Ginger Boyle) as C in C invasion Narvik. Presumably he was als...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:16 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Hello everybody, HMSVF wrote: "POW had a free shoot effectively as Bismarck was engaged against HMS Hood" Correct, but being under fire (while is a very bad tactical situation) doesn't affect much own gunnery performances, except if a gunnery equipment is directly hit: McMullen was not ev...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:47 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Hello everybody, HMSVF wrote: "POW only obtained hits up to the point of Hoods sinking after that nothing" I have several times admitted already that hit rate was favorable to Bismarck, but PoW hit first (and from a longer distance).... PoW managed to hit the enemy 3 times. Bismarck manag...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: Naval History Post-1945
Topic: Falkland war
Replies: 15
Views: 21231

Re: Falkland war

Gentlemen, thanks for your answers. However, I still fail to understand why the ARA send Santa Fe. The submarine was too old to fight and too slow to reach South Georgia before the RN. From my armchair admiral's point of view, it makes more sense to send surface ships that can unload and leave SG b...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: Naval History Post-1945
Topic: Falkland war
Replies: 15
Views: 21231

Re: Falkland war

Gentlemen, thanks for your answers. However, I still fail to understand why the ARA send Santa Fe. The submarine was too old to fight and too slow to reach South Georgia before the RN. From my armchair admiral's point of view, it makes more sense to send surface ships that can unload and leave SG b...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Hello everybody, according to the above (confused and evidently angry) post "everything is unknown". We can add that also the PoW open fire time is unknown because there was not an atomic clock to exactly measure this timing. :negative: No, it's incorrect, we have several usable data (and...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

A good deal of the validity of the table, at least as it seems to be being discussed here, would seem to revolve around its derivation of the rate of fire being based upon a fire duration of 14 minutes. Assuming that to be true -- and it may not be if, for example, one or both of the open fire and ...
by HMSVF
Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:25 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

paul.mercer wrote: Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:47 am Hi Dunmunro,
Thanks for the info, I see your point!
T/O.

Isn’t there a difference between firing and effective firing?
by HMSVF
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:25 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Hello everybody, Byron Angel wrote: "...the "93 rounds expended" comment contained in Lutjen's post action transmission, which lacks any qualifying context." This statement is incorrect. Lutjens message is very clear and the context is undoubtedly the Denmarck Strait battle only...
by HMSVF
Sun Mar 10, 2019 12:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

Hi Antonio, @ Paul Mercer, 'we have deeply analyzed that event on a dedicated thread 6 years ago, ... you can read all in here : viewtopic.php?f=1&t=6276&hilit=hit+comp ... orm#p56258 For any additional help about it, ... just feel free to ask, ... it is only history, ... nothing else.' Man...
by HMSVF
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:17 pm
Forum: The Dreadnought Era (1906-1921)
Topic: WW1 battleships
Replies: 34
Views: 12353

Re: WW1 battleships

Gentlemen, looking at old films of WWI RN battleships they all seem to have diagonal 'strakes' down each side, what were these for? Hi Paul, Re those "diagonal strakes", my guess is that you are referring to the numerous anti-torpedo net booms in their stowed positions along the sides of ...
by HMSVF
Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery
Replies: 515
Views: 64597

Re: PoW's gunnery VS BSM's gunnery

I thank participants for their expressed opinions, all of which I will accept as being put forth in a constructive, though perhaps not in a tactful manner. As moderator, I do have several powers which I did not have previously, i.e. the ability to ban members and the ability to edit posts which I f...