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Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, you wrote : Judging by the date, it is almost completely based (uncritically) on Brinkmann's KTB, even before the 5 Bismarck survivors' interrogation was complete, and long before Schmundt, Carls or Schniewind had made their reviews of this report in the light of other in...

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, do we have to consider that you have evaluated the above map and the related tracks on all his provided details, ... that you have done all the requested checks with the due obvious tolerances, ... and you still disagree about it ? Bye Antonio

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, once again the only available Jasper report is the one contained as attachment into the PG KTB. I have not yet find any other document about Jasper report of Brinkmann to Schmundt report above listed. The Prinz Eugen own battle map is more than sufficient to establish the...

Hello everybody, @ Byron Angel, thanks for your inputs. I think it should be OK to assume a slowing down of something in between 5 to 8% ( no hard rudder ) so between 1 to 2 knots during the 40° executed first turn from course 240° True to course 280° True. I assume they were under their maximum ext...

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, we are trying to build a reliable battle map starting from the overall battle field proper dimension and the main track references, I mean the BC1 warships ( Hood and PoW ) and the German squadron ( Bismarck and Prinz Eugen ) from 05:20 until 06:00. As I have stated above...

Hello everybody, @ all, I just see the bearings being the most reliable information we have to build this battle map. We have now a good and hopefully agreed starting point at 06:00. Building the tracks backwards, with known course and speed while drawing acceptable turns for BC1 warships, ... while...

Hello everybody, @ all, may I kindly ask everybody to hold on any discussion about what happened after 06:00 and how many shells PoW fired from which turret until we have jointly agreed and finished re-constructing the tracks. If we put too much meat on the fireplace, we will obviously loose focus a...

Hello everybody, @ Bill Jurens, very good, I am sure that it is going to be a very interesting work. Here the evidence just for the record. The BC1 warships radio messages : Initial_bearings_BC1_to_German_squadron.jpg The PoW gunnery bearings with her open fire one : PoW_open_fire_bearing_335_at_055...

Hello everybody, @ Bill Jurens, in order to verify if we are going the right direction or not with the 143° True bearing at 06:00 between PG and PoW at the 15.000 meter distance, I suggest you to do the checks I listed above. Only after having realized the correct tracks in scale for course and spee...

Hello everybody, @ Bryron Angel, Yes, they were all using ( T ) true north bearings. Only the Germans on some data where using relative to their course bearings as far as I recall. Basically now we need to realize in large scale, check and control this part from 05:20 until 06:00 battle time : 0520_...

Hello everybody, @ Wadinga, you wrote : This shift is remarkably similar to the 4100m consistent error in much the same orientation identified (by Antonio) as the error between the values Brinkmann and Reimann both recorded and that which Jasper had for 06:00. I have speculated that although Jasper ...

Hello everybody, @ Bill Jurens, I see your trial above and of course done in the way you did it can only show that without a common agreed reference mark is not possible to merge and reconcile the 2 available maps. That was more than obvious using only the original map distances and the timing repor...

Hello everybody, we can all look at the details and minor changes on the available reference base maps after having reached a base agreement. I do not care at the moment about the small turn changes or the minor inconsistencies reshaping the main tracks on the base reference map. I renew my invitati...

Hello everybody, starting from the Rowell map at 06:00 ( Exhibit B of the Hood Second Board ) and applying on top of it the Prinz Eugen original track we obtain this figure at 06:00. Map_1cm_1000meters_scale.jpg It is a " quick and dirty " cut and paste version of the map I think does make...

Hello everybody, @ Bill Jurens, thanks for your summary. The fact that you will choose to use my 2005 work as base reference or not is of course up to you here in now. It exist and is there anyhow, and I am OK in both cases, as it must be. I am sure that being this battle re-construction in certain ...