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Wadinga wrote:"At least when Antonio wants to hide information, he gives us the actual wording which supports his case.....Please quote the actual words since you have the actual document in your hands.," Hi Sean, sorry but I just signed something explicitly stating I should not. Ellis do...

@Dunmunro Hi Duncan, even if I understand your embarrassment reading that Ellis confirms ALL the suspects we already had, please avoid terms like "insanity" as I never used the term gullibility speaking of your trust in the official reports....... If someone feels the need to justify the m...

@Dunmunro: Hi Duncan, you wrote: "an autobiography that was written years after the battle when Ellis's memory had failed him." This sounds like Tovey's "dementia" when recalling the Court Martial request...... you wrote: "Suffolk's track, with the 360d turn, was created by ...

Dunmunro: ".....then Suffolk did a 360d turn to open the range......... " Hi Duncan, I know this can be annoying, but NO mention at all of "mirage" effect nor "turn to north" in Ellis account......... :think: I guess now the whole track of Suffolk (including Ellis offi...

@all: hello, I just received yesterday the Churchill Archives documentation re. Capt.Ellis, including his autobiography. Antonio Bonomi wrote: "....if I put together the 2 above declarations ... than I become very, very skeptical ...." No skepticism, my friend, things look very clear when ...

Hi Francis, you are right and my "boxing" joke example wasn't fully correct. I think the reason why PoW was not hit anymore after 6:03 is related to BS sharp turn to starboard to avoid the (non-existing) torpedoes following PG alarm, therefore loosing her precision. So perhaps my "ref...

@Mr.Cag thanks for your nice words and please feel free to call me Alberto, if you like. you wrote: "I put the 0609 time as I believe that is when the BS and PG ceased main armament fire on PoW, she may have been withdrawing but still under fire (I did do a little boxing in my early years again...

@Wadinga: Hi Sean, I just realized that was possibly wrong in the above post: I wrote: "Barham guns were trained to Pola only after the red signal was seen aboard the British ship" S.W.C. Pack (in his book "Night Action off Matapan") says that, after having received the first Val...

@northcape: I have to respect your judgement even if I (and several people on this forum) have a very different opinion about Holland approach to the battle. Apparently we have a very different view of the sense of duty and honor for an officer, your approach to military aspects looks a bit too &quo...

Wadinga wrote: " At 19:45 Pola was torpedoed during an attack by carrier-based aircraft, short range biplanes....." Hi Sean, Iachino had been informed that the MF battleships were at anchor at Alessandria (by Supermarina, based on wrong information). I agree with you that he knew a carrie...

Dunmunro wrote: "Holland was ordered by Tovey to "...proceed with moderate dispatch to Hvalfiord...". How does this get turned into Tovey ordering Holland to commit suicide?" Sorry Duncan, I disagree. 8 PM, May 21 " Flying your flag in Hood and taking Prince of Wales, Achat...

Hi Duncan, I would say here (article 2 "Misconduct in presence of the enemy" paragraph 4) : Article2.4.jpg I fully agree with you regarding Hood protection, and it was Adm.Tovey responsibility the decision to send her against BS and to explicitly order to Holland to raise his flag on Hood....

Hi Sean, I can confirm you what I wrote re. Iachino decision: wrong but taken with the good intentions to rescue the Pola, requesting assistance. I was referring to this sarcastic sentence of yours (but you are right , the last 5 words reported here are ironic, I suppose....): ... in one of a series...

Hi, many thanks for your suggestion. I was already aware of the Ellis authobiografy and I have requested to the Churchill archives the book chapter and all the reports (included in Ellis available documents at the same Churchill Archives) related to the Bismarck episode, to see whether they confirm ...

@Mr.Cag Hi, first of all, nice to meet you and welcome on board to this forum ! It's always a pleasure to have the opportunity to discuss with a knowledgeable person in a polite way. Of course, I do agree with you that the Articles of War could not be considered as the only guidance. However, when y...