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All, Since few apparently read or answer my observations, I only contribute from time to time. (I mentioned the "turning" Suffolk witness some posts ago) :angel: Alberto has enthusiastically and forcefully stated: Now it's just Suffolk track that is under discussion and here NOBODY has bee...

Hello Marc, Thanks for the unambiguous information about Suffolk's speed, much as I expected :clap: :clap: :clap: Hi Antonio, You say: Especially the D/6 was a key one on a very critical moment at 05.41 well recorded on the Norfolk Strategical map too I showed you all several times already. You have...

Hello Marc, I'm glad I'm not the only one finding it confusing. :lol: Antonio appears to be taking some positions from Suffolk's strategical map, which may or may not incorporate the retrospective navigational correction, and then compare them with later positions for Suffolk on Pinchin's Plot, whic...

Hello Antonio, you say: I am not less keen to show anything and I do not like to be accused to play with speed, and The Suffolk deck log only show average speed every hour, just as Duncan underlined to me So tell us what it is. Please. Dispel my suspicions by not being secretive every time you are c...

Hello Duncan, Antonio is perfectly happy to tell me reported Suffolk's speed at 05:50 after Ellis realises he has made an unnecessary circle and lost ground, (and hence sped up), but less keen to tell me what his speed was around 04:46-05:30 when he is the only British ship with enemy in sight and y...

All, Alberto has stated: if you choose to discard the PG radar measurement of 176 hectometers, Eveybody should discard it because: On port – almost abeam – are two, and then three smoke trails coming into view, and they appear to be coming rapidly closer. As we are now informed, the Commander had re...

Hello Antonio, Since as I understand it the current map shown above seeks only to position Suffolk relative to Bismarck, rather than attempt to derive their absolute positions using the nav corrections, the corrected value of 186 degrees (transmitted incorrectly ?) and 15 miles (I am glad you accept...

Hello Antonio, 0447B/24.5. Von k3g = Suffolk an mta = Scapa. P My 0321B. Enemy bear 184º 15 miles, course 220º. My position is 64º 10' north 30º 40' west X. 0522B/24.5. Von k3g = Suffolk an mta = Scapa. P My 0456B. No change, my position is 63º 55' north 30º 55' west X .. Does the Suffolk Deck Log c...

Hello Antonio, Thank you for releasing another thumbnail from the Suffolk post-action strategical map at 13:00 yesterday, although unfortunately it doesn't cover the period at dispute, although I would have to say from the screen it would appear the observed range at 04:56 is the same as at 04:47. 1...

Hello Antonio, I asked you to tell us why Suffolk reported by radio that she was between 30,000 and 36,000 yds before and after the gun action since Ellis would not know he was going to need to falsify these details in the future. Why would he report inaccurate figures? You say This is the only poss...

Hello Antonio, Let's be absolutely clear. I consider Suffolk's narrative to be a 100% reliable account and my quoting of the B-Dienst intercepts was merely to forestall your next predictable move in promoting this increasingly ludicrous conspiracy theory, namely that the narrative was also falsified...

Hello Alberto, Maybe Antonio will tell you privately if there are any range and bearing marks on his copy of Enclosure No 6 for Suffolk to Bismarck around open fire time? They might match 18,000 yds. And then you can tell the rest of us :angel: Can you explain why Ellis reported ranges at the time o...

Hello Antonio, Putting to one side for the moment your outrage over perceived attempts to discredit you personally (certainly never intended), thank you for re-posting a scan of the header of Enclosure No 6 for us, since it answers one of the questions I asked. Namely, confirmation the navigational ...

All, Captain Ellis was indeed very intelligent and accurately forsaw that he would need to perjure himself at a future date, by sending the following messages recorded by the German B-Dienst: 0447B/24.5. Von k3g = Suffolk an mta = Scapa. P My 0321B. Enemy bear 184º 15 miles, course 220º. My position...

Hello Alberto, At least when Antonio wants to hide information, he gives us the actual wording which supports his case, say one line from PoW's log, and we know the other material is missing because it doesn't. Support his case, that is. It might contradict it, we'll never know. I don't think copyri...