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by Paul L
Tue Feb 14, 2012 2:34 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Destroyers vs. battleships - Comprehensive list from WW2 (al
Replies: 73
Views: 26344

Re: Destroyers vs. battleships - Comprehensive list from WW2

Italian theatre; On 28th June 1940 RN needed nearly 5000 x 6” shells to sink one Italian Destroyer At Calabria [July 6th 1940] reportedly 923 x 6” shells from two British CL = 1 hit. In a long-range battleship duel 335 big gun shells produced only one hit and 5 near misses, while the 12th Italian de...
by Paul L
Fri Feb 10, 2012 8:13 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

Yes but the importance of the 'war guilt' is the german reaction which triggered the Hyper inflation rather than just pay the reparations. No Reparations = no Hyper inflation; which equals a stronger economy= less dissatisfaction with the Weimar Republic = less chance for Nazi to gain the popularity...
by Paul L
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:48 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Guilt_Clause The 'war guilt' was triggered by articale 231 in the "Treaty of Versailles". Since in this alternative history their is no ToV or at least its not the historical document we all know, then the 'war guilt' would not happen. Germans didn't accept...
by Paul L
Thu Feb 09, 2012 3:26 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Germany German voting records Weimar Republic Look at 1920-28 which is the period of interest Note the poor fluctuating record of the NSDAP According to German historians Hitler’s NSDAP was treated as lunatic Fringe during this period. These are voting figu...
by Paul L
Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:16 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Germany German voting records Weimar Republic Look at 1920-28 which is the period of interest Note the poor fluctuating record of the NSDAP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1920 Not evident, not registered at this time? http://en.wikiped...
by Paul L
Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:43 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

NSDAP never got more than single digit voter returns and they were only popular in the radical right. They would never have had even a chance of getting in power without the failure of the Weimer regime and the effects of the ToV and the Great Depression. Remove even one of these and the intensity ...
by Paul L
Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:25 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

Germany economic problems were made much worse by the loss of the Rhineland, which by some estimates represented 1/4 of their economy. . Loss of the Rhineland? The Rhineland was occupied by France/Belguim in 1923 for a brief period but it remained German territory. The diversion of outputs alluded ...
by Paul L
Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:49 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

It was the army's war in the east that lead to the creation of Soviet empire , which in turn caused the bulk of the unrest in the navy and other civil areas. Most of the mutiny surrounds the overreactions to percieved communist power rise in the new government and the fear they would sieze power.It ...
by Paul L
Sun Feb 05, 2012 8:12 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

Germany economic problems were made much worse by the loss of the Rhineland, which by some estimates represented 1/4 of their economy. If that doesn't happen the scale of the problem would be reduced by order of maginitude. The anti Stalist fears were universal through out Europe, and while they kep...
by Paul L
Sun Feb 05, 2012 4:35 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1
Replies: 57
Views: 14419

Re: Germany keeps all it's fleet after WW1

Any scenario where German gets to keep a large portion of its fleet implies a stalemate conclusion to WW-I , leading to a mutual cease fire. In that context Germany is not going to allow any negotiation leading to 1/3 of the RN fleet. They would at least aim to negotiate a HF about 1/2 the RN grand ...
by Paul L
Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:42 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Re arming the Twins
Replies: 6
Views: 3255

Re: Re arming the Twins

The 35cm gun was the default battleship gun until Raeder had a meeting with Hitler in late 1934 and forwarded the notion of a 38cm gun for the Battleships to counter the French BB Richelieu , which Hitler seems to have bought into. Up until that time the default gun for the Panzerschiffe was the 28c...
by Paul L
Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:58 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941
Replies: 335
Views: 61708

Re: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941

Given how poor RAF bombing was , I doubt the Germans would have had much to fear from 'Aircraft Carrier UK' for years. I gather Admiral Carls aim was to eventually expand these 'sea control missions' into convoy escort missions overseas. Naval planning was very schizophrenic in nature throughout the...
by Paul L
Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:28 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941
Replies: 335
Views: 61708

Re: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941

Admiral Carls is one of my heroes :D in 1935 he proposed that in addition to the dozen Panzerschiffe to augment commerce raiding plus a battle fleet of a 1/2 dozen BB, he wanted four carrier battle groups to operate in and around the UK. Each group would have a carrier a battle cruiser plus a heavy ...
by Paul L
Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:27 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941
Replies: 335
Views: 61708

Re: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941

Fi 167 had folding wings with a glazed cockpit and had a much better payload range figures than the Fi 156 ..it could carry an air torpedo and with better engine [DB 605?] could make 240mph or more and be fitted out with a couple of 20mm guns . That way it could also provide elementry airdefense aga...
by Paul L
Sat Jan 14, 2012 4:22 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941
Replies: 335
Views: 61708

Re: Tirpitz and Graf Zeppelin 1941

I read some were that STOL needed 2.5 times the aircraft length to land -take off. But the overloaded Storch that rescued Mussolini required 30km to land and 80m to launch. http://www.fantasyofflight.com/aircraftpages/storch.htm the above site reports it takeoff and lands in 200 feet or 60m. http://...