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GaryT - Government is itself a leading player in what you term the financial oligarchy.

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. NO - incorrect. TRY ; ADM 267/60 Damage Report HMS Valiant 1941 - human torpedo ADM 267/62 Damage Report HMS Queen Elizabeth 1941 - human torpedo The latter states that Queen Elizabeth was much more seriously damaged (but because of it being the same sort of damage needed much the same effort). H...

pgollin wrote:.
AS STATED - the official damage reports.
Simple.
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..... Funny. That is where my cited data come from as well: CB4273(52)

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NO ONE has argued that the raid wasn't a success - merely your use of poor secondary sources being wrong. As far as the actual damage was concerned, the official damage reports assessed that IF the damage had occurred at sea that Queen Elizabeth would have been disabled for a short period and that ...

So D-day (Normandy) or the invasion of Germany proper was a only a tactical success because the Allies couldn't have sustained such losses in a series of similar invasions? The losses have to be weighed against the gains, and/or potential gains to be made, not whether they were sustainable over som...

. Quote (Byron Angel) ; "......... Tactical success? Let's look at it this way. Could Britain have afforded to mount this sort of operation on a regular basis in the face of such losses? The answer IMO is no. ....... " A false argument - Why would it have to mount such an operation on a r...

GaryT wrote: "Byron - it seems as though your thoughts on the matter are more ones of faith than of fact." Gary - As the old saying goes - "Man believes what he wishes to be true". Please believe me when I tell you that I have done a very great deal of homework and I used to spen...

GaryT - I'm really sorry you feel that way. I'm 66 years of age and have uncomfortably watched over the past five decades the transformation of my status from a citizen to a subject of my government. My belief is that when those political leaders you now see as great benefactors and caretakers of ma...

Over-claiming (or "multiple-claiming") is a known feature of such relatively chaotic engagement environments. But ex post facto analyses of large numbers of such actions, where claimed kills can be retrospectively compared to actual losses as tallied by the opponent, can usefully quantify ...

Go here - https://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/4679327a-c2e5-495e-9b97-ca231dae2516/Major-Convoy-Operation-to-Malta,-10-15-August-1942.aspx - for a good scholarly analysis of the Malta situation and the Pedestal convoy operation. Was Pedestal a strategic success? Yes. It bought enough time for Malta ...

Hi Byron, I'm not sure if the oil/gas-market has been re-calibrated. The shale boom is a new player/variable in a highly volatile market. For me it is difficult to say if this market can be calibrated at all. Oil/gas is such a major business and power area in the world, so I heavily doubt it can be...

I am certain you are correct on that point, NC. No boom continues forever. I observed that in connection with the PC/LAN era; everything was "hammer and tongs" for 10 years or so; then the market became satiated and business swooned. I don't think the oil business represents an exact paral...

I think that Dunmunro makes a fair argument. Viewing Pedestal as a single unique case, the immediate and necessary goal was achieved despite the terrific losses. Viewed from a broader perspective, though, continued supply of Malta in the face of continued such opposition and losses would almost cert...

Antonio wrote - " ... in Hamburg they opened a fantastic naval new museum."

Details, please !!!

Byron

Fair comment, Phil: QE technically did not in fact touch bottom. But here are the damage control measures taken with respect to QE; maybe this is why. According to Burt - "The ship (QE) was lightened by every possible means such as de-ammunitioning, defuelling from sound tanks, depetrolling, di...