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Hi Antonio, You have said: By the way, I think the time is arrived to close this thread argument here. But there's so much more to say! So many contentious assertions to be challenged. So many fascinating pieces of evidence currently ignored to be thrust into the limelight. :cool: You have quoted th...

Hi Antonio,

Whilst you are in a measuring mood, what is the lateral distance ie orthogonal between the Hood and PoW tracks at 06:00 on your new jpg?

All the best

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Hi Antonio, It is kind of you to keep repeating things but repetition does not make non-reality a reality. For instance you state repeatedly he ordered a 160 degrees turn to port at 06.01 and 30 seconds, but is a thing you have invented because there is no evidence it happened at all whereas several...

Hi Antonio, You are really deluding yourself with It is NOT by doing this that you will change the reality lately surfaced Your "reality" may have surfaced for you (and a couple of others) but there are a significant number of us your theory is so riddled with holes it stands as much chanc...

Hi Alberto, It's lucky we have you to keep telling us the "facts", otherwise we'd have to rely on the witnesses who were actually there. How about examining what they say? :D Antonio, you asked me to read Hunter-Terry carefully and i quoted his whole statement. All the "blowing up stu...

Hello Antonio, I read carefully At this time we were turning to port between the "Hood" and the enemy and I observed debris falling towards "Prince of Wales", Are you saying Leach saw Hood explode, PoW turned to starboard to avoid the wreck, Bismarck switched targets, there was 2...

Hello Alberto, Three witnesses say it happened- but they must all be wrong. :shock: Why? Because a man who was pierced through the face seconds later by a chunk of wood, and stunned by a near death experience, drew a map the following day and didn't include it? As he also didn't include the turn on ...

Hi Alberto, Thanks for clearing up the confusion, yes Marc has done an excellent job. In my opinion it clarifies that the Rowell map is just the crude salvo map with a guesstimated curvy bit inserted. This had to reflect his evidence We put the wheel over to starboard to give us a greater clearance ...

Hi Alberto, I believe we are at cross purposes. The two maps I am referring to that are different are Rowell's map and the PoW Gunnery map- in which the course is ruler-straight right through to 01:30. These two come from the same vessel and yet are not consistent. The gunnery salvo representation o...

Hi Antonio, First off please could you post the whole of the Norfolk log for the interesting period, not just two lines to highlight another Wake-Walker inconsistency? :pray: We know the Gunnery Map is flawed, since the fire control table took a direct input from the gyrocompass, and the turn to avo...

Gentlemen, What this forecast by a dumb computer fails to take account of, yet is clearly obvious here, as it was to the Torpedo Officer back in 1941, was that PoW was imminently about change course, radically, to port, and there was no point in wasting torpedoes at this moment, because this margina...

Hello Alberto, I'm utterly astonished to hear that you agree with Antonio that his new map is better than the previous two scenarios. Who'd have thought it! :D You say it's IMHO more accurate than the Violet and the Green ones. because it agrees with (the only that match with evidences from both sid...

For Steve Crandell, Steve, Antonio's latest map is 8:57 on Sunday 9th March and the map with GREEN and VIOLET scenarios on Sunday February 9th. For Antonio, It is enough to place it in there at 276 from PG ( 05.35 ) and 230 from Hood ( 06.00 ). The 18 from PoW at 05.35 will come out in any case as a...

Hi Steve, Well it's only verbally quoted as 22,000 yds for Antonio's latest iteration, but if there were a scale I suspect that we would find it is just a little more. :cool: I don't see why the range would be a lot less than on VIOLET given that the bearing from Hood to Norfolk is 230 the same as V...

Hello Antonio, Where does the 018 degree value come from on your new version of Norfolk’s track? When you created GREEN’s origin before, you used the intercept of it and 271. You know it is faulty because it is a derived, not measured, bearing from two inaccurate Estimated Positions (Norfolk's and P...