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by MVictorP
Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:48 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: How would you improve the Kriegsmarine
Replies: 151
Views: 34228

Re: How would you improve the Kriegsmarine

HMS26, this has the merit of being a very restrained, plausible plan. I agree with the oblectives, as well as the means to get to them, but I don't agree that Germany had no experience in naval aviation. Peter Strasser has been a pioneer. The Fiesler biplane was a very good starting machine, and as ...
by MVictorP
Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:12 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

That is your interpretation/opinion. I've seen nothing to indicate that the Germans had any intention of using them in the role of battleships and indeed doing so would have been rediculous as they would have stood no chance against anything but a coastal defence battleship and even that would be r...
by MVictorP
Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:30 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

There's two part in such a treaty, generally speaking. The first one is a definition, and the second one, allocation. In the WT treaty, new ship classification was adopted (and further specified in subsequent treaties), a "battleship holiday" was enforced, and ship tonnage allocations per type were...
by MVictorP
Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:45 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

Weak argument from someone criticising others for lack of treaty knowledge. Look, I'm sorry if the acronym retoque bothered you, but frankly, on a WWII naval board of some importance, not being able to recognize the acronym even thought it is in context... is not guarantee that you are discussing w...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:10 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

I'll agree ingorant isn't a necessarilly a perjorative but then I don't think you've made a very strong case for my ignorance either. It looks to me like you are saying I'm ignorant because I question or reject your opinions. Certainly if you think that I said that the treaties don't matter much in...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:03 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

Note however that I specified post WWI battleships and the Ganguts were preWWI battleships. Ships designes evolve over time and you persist in using a defintion that not only is treaty provision specific but frozen in time. You are aware that the Ganguts have been refitted (and renamed) quite a few...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:46 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

Should have caught this sooner. Here's an 18 in cruiser for you HMS Furious. Originally planned with two single gun turrets with 18" guns. And of course there were he two semi sister Glorious and Courageous all rated by the British as "large light cruisers". I will admit I've seen them refered to a...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:24 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

Please use the forum search tool to search for AGNT - you'll find on this forum anyways you're the only one who has ever abreviated it so. He could have and probably would have figured it out but given that we've ***always*** spelt it out as the Anglo German Naval Treaty it's not surprising he didn...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:32 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

Hardly pretends. It was a natural progression if 8" gunned cruisers needed to be 15,000 tons or so then one would expect 12" gunned ones to weigh in around 25,000 tons i.e. in the same range as Alaska. I don't know about the alternate world you are describing, but down here, a "12-inch cruiser' is ...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:52 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

The Dorias (and Cavours for that matter) as reconstructed had a compressed Pugliese TDS installed. You're right. The Dorias indeed had a TDS of a sort. Still, the Ganguts had no TDS. And I'm pretty sure there had been others. Now you're just being snide - How often do people on this board abbreviat...
by MVictorP
Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:52 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

There was a clear trend toward bigger cruisers when the Washington Treaty limited them to 10,000 tons. Look at the rapid expansion beyond that weight when the treaty limits went away. Like I've wrote, 10000t, 32k and 8" gunsfit rather ill in the same package, hence the weight excesses among heavy c...
by MVictorP
Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:06 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

You can call them whatever suits you, but the fact remains that the people that built them and operated them considered them to be cruisers. And the USN can also call them 'josephine" if the fancy strikes them - they're nor fooling anyone but themselves. Because the prime criterion for ship classif...
by MVictorP
Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:03 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

I'm not sure this makes much sense. The Alaskas were pretty clearly not battleships of any sort lacking some rather key components of them. Cruisers were evolving in both directions post WWI you were getting bigger ones with bigger guns and smaller ones with destroyer caliber armor. The Alaskas are...
by MVictorP
Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:42 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: How would you improve the Kriegsmarine
Replies: 151
Views: 34228

Re: How would you improve the Kriegsmarine

Interesting stuff RF. Thanks!
by MVictorP
Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:39 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers
Replies: 171
Views: 74463

Re: Best cruisers of WWII and the best use of cruisers

For me, a Cruiser is something under 10 000t, having 8" guns or smaller. Anything bigger is "something else". It's not fair to compare a County to an Alaska. Alaskas were, like the Dunquerques and the Dorias, second-class battleships, bordering on the battlecruiser (which weights the same thing as a...