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by alecsandros
Tue May 14, 2019 8:55 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

Before you head to low down on the ridiculous path, be advised that, according to "HMS Rodney: The Famous Ships of the Royal Navy Series", by Iain Ballantine, by salvo 4, Rodney had turret X and A with open arcs for fire. At 9:02, Rodney observed an own salvo of 4-guns of which 2 gun splashes were s...
by alecsandros
Tue May 14, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

Probably so.
That shows the Rodney had 3 more guns to bear then KGV did (9 guns versus 6), for 6 salvoes, in the initial phase.

KGV was also suffering from Rodney's smoke, and overall outputted less shells then Rodney did.
by alecsandros
Tue May 14, 2019 5:50 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

Rodney (From Robert's The Final Action ) at ~0852 fired 2 salvos with A arcs open and 3 more from 0858 until opening them continuously from ~0904 and salvo 25. KGV's GAR states that she made an "emergency turn" at 0859 to open her A arcs and the tactical plot from the Battle Summary shows this as y...
by alecsandros
Mon May 13, 2019 8:02 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

Rodney's after turret cannot fire over B turret. Not directly over it, but Bismarck wasn't directly in front of Rodney . There was about 10-15deg offset between them in the beginning of the battle, and that was enough for all turrets to fire. I seem to remember somebody quoted from Rodney 's GAR, a...
by alecsandros
Mon May 13, 2019 7:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

KGV and Rodney opened their A arcs at ~0900, prior to that both ships would have been firing 1/2 salvos of 3 guns each. After that, KGV would have fired 1/2 salvos of 5 guns each (until 0920), and Rodney alternating salvos of 4 and 5 guns. Most maps put that wide-arc movement at 9:04 for KGV and 9:...
by alecsandros
Mon May 13, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

This is from KGV's GAR while survivor accounts are necessarily made from memory only. There was initial confusion on KGV from about 0848-0852 until type 284 began to give continuous ranges from 21100 yds. By 0859 the range was down to ~16000 yds and by 0902 it would have been 15k yds and it is extr...
by alecsandros
Mon May 13, 2019 7:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

Hi alecsandros, Are you suggesting that there is now doubt whether it was a hit from Rodney or KGV that knocked out the forward turrets, I thought that it was generally accepted that it was a 16" hit that did the damage - or did one shell from each ship arrive around the same time and almost at the...
by alecsandros
Mon May 13, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck analysis
Replies: 61
Views: 14425

Re: Bismarck analysis

Norfolk claimed that Rodney scored a hit or hits at ~0848 but if true, these hits could have only come from KGV since she had an accurate FC solution whilst Rodney was unable to obtain any optical ranges, early on, and did not claim any straddles until 0858 with salvo 18B. Those times do not match ...
by alecsandros
Sun May 12, 2019 6:46 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15548

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

I think Alecsandros is right saying that Hood had performed well from gunenry viewpoint. She was considered in some way a gunnery "cock of the fleet" and her poor performance on May 24 is worth some reflections... :think: For clarity, let me explain : I don't know how well HMS Hood fired at DS, wha...
by alecsandros
Sat May 11, 2019 6:24 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15548

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Therefore all accounts ascribe the hits to Prince of Wales and thus indirectly criticize Hood's gunnery, with the more-informed ones identifying the ancient and unmodernised fire control system as a major factor. Lord Chatfield pointed out in 1941 Hood had fought a ship 25 years younger than hersel...
by alecsandros
Tue May 07, 2019 9:48 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 15325

Re: PoW readiness for active service

The "forum" works on the exchange of information, not on some people deciding that they may withhold due information (i.e. the archive reference of quoted documents as required by the rules of use of that archive) whereas they may demand information from others. . The "forum" works like any human c...
by alecsandros
Tue May 07, 2019 8:42 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 15325

Re: PoW readiness for active service

dunmunro wrote:
Tue May 07, 2019 8:20 am

I gave you an example where a 4.5in gun knocked out a 28cm gun turret and that was not a minor event.

It was not a minor event, but it was an isolated incident, produced by the huge consumption of ammo that Renown did that day (over 800 x 102mm shots fired).
by alecsandros
Tue May 07, 2019 8:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 15325

Re: PoW readiness for active service

Show us evidence for your claims about Bismarck's 38cm output. Duncan, this type of requests 'show us the evidence', etc, is not polite and not in line with what is going on the forum. I suggest you take a look at my historical posts (and everybody else's) about the uncertainty of Bismarck's output...
by alecsandros
Tue May 07, 2019 7:16 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: PoW readiness for active service
Replies: 309
Views: 15325

Re: PoW readiness for active service

It is of minor importace, and rhettorics won't save you here , as it hadn't anywhere else.

Battleship combat is determined by the main guns, and Prince of Wales had 9 in operation at the time of her disengagement (versus Bismarck's 8).
by alecsandros
Tue May 07, 2019 5:33 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: British postwar tests on armor
Replies: 83
Views: 7243

Re: British postwar tests on armor

Most likely the 1000lb bombs were RAF GP bombs, which had some AP capability due to a strengthened casing but did not have AP type fuzes. You are right about the quotation above. My mistake. However, it would be a first when level bombers attack capital ships with high explosive bombs. The loadout ...