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by alecsandros
Sat May 25, 2019 6:18 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

dunmunro wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 2:20 am
2nd engagement?
Splitting of Prinz Eugen from Bismarck.
by alecsandros
Sat May 25, 2019 6:16 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

She turned away and Bismarck and PE continued on her course, but the german fleet commander decided to break off the entire operation No, Bismarck and Prinz Eugen did not pursue Prince of Wales. They kept their course, and, at 6:03/4, turned away themselves after reports of torpedos coming their wa...
by alecsandros
Fri May 24, 2019 8:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Hit on Bismarck's turret
Replies: 19
Views: 2497

Re: Hit on Bismarck's turret

@ Alexandros: You will note that I was not specific about the source of the initiation of the deflagration, if that's what was indeed observed. There are actually quite a few well-documented instances where turrets and barbettes were penetrated with subsequent burnouts and/or explosions etc. Bill J...
by alecsandros
Fri May 24, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

To mark the anniversary of the sinking of Hood here are some more items of original documentation. All are Crown Copyright. The first confirms that the gun trials carried out shortly before her first mission, gave the Admiralty representatives who were aboard the "impression" things were far from "...
by alecsandros
Fri May 24, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Hit on Bismarck's turret
Replies: 19
Views: 2497

Re: Hit on Bismarck's turret

While theoretically possible, I have never read about such an internal deflagration being produced in any shell vs turret or shell vs barbette impacts of capital ships. Instances are numerous - Massachussets vs Jean Bart *, Kirishima vs South Dakota** , Hood vs Richelieu*** , Renown vs Gneisenau****...
by alecsandros
Fri May 24, 2019 10:33 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

If everybody would follow this example it would solve the problem quickly. I can only encourage everybody to do the same in order to restore rationality, purpose, and common sense in the forum. There is nothing to be gained in providing a stage and audience for this kind of behavior and endless rep...
by alecsandros
Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Hit on Bismarck's turret
Replies: 19
Views: 2497

Re: Hit on Bismarck's turret

You're right,
that would put max travel distance with average fuze length at ~ 13 meters, and maybe 6-7 meters applying the speed reduction (for remaining velocity).
by alecsandros
Fri May 24, 2019 9:50 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Hit on Bismarck's turret
Replies: 19
Views: 2497

Re: Hit on Bismarck's turret

British APC projectiles of the time had average fuze length of 0.025sec. Impact velocity at 20.000meters for 16" shells was 470m/s (data for firing velocity of 770m/s), and 460m/s for 14" guns (data for firing velocity of 730m/s). That means that, on average, the fuzed fuze would permit travel of pr...
by alecsandros
Wed May 22, 2019 9:44 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Big difference between these engagements in my opinion. North Cape was fought at night in Force 5 weather conditions and certainly worse visibility conditions. Much of Duke of York's shooting was conducted as radar-controlled "blind fire". Her Type 284 was of an improved model, but was still not tr...
by alecsandros
Tue May 21, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Byron Angel wrote:


Do we REALLY need more acrimony here, Alecs? I think not. Please.

B
you're right, my bad.
I'll be happy to reply to any rational argument brought forward.

Best,
by alecsandros
Tue May 21, 2019 7:34 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

I invite you to think and try to understand my posting again, in particular the last paragraph. I invite you to reconsider your attitude , as you are not in a position to criticise people who produced substantial research on their free time and consuming their energy. Your irrelevant replies and me...
by alecsandros
Tue May 21, 2019 7:20 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

History is not Mathematics, but both need to operate under scientific principles if they intend to have any purpose. For the rest of your statements, I invite you to read (and try to understand) my posting again, in particular the last paragraph. Squirming around the arguments won't help you escape...
by alecsandros
Tue May 21, 2019 6:51 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

History is not mathematics.
This reconstruction is the "best" only until a better one comes along.

So far you and other members have been repeatedly asked to provide a better alternative , which you failed to do.
by alecsandros
Tue May 21, 2019 5:24 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

If everybody would follow this example it would solve the problem quickly. I can only encourage everybody to do the same in order to restore rationality, purpose, and common sense in the forum. There is nothing to be gained in providing a stage and audience for this kind of behavior and endless rep...
by alecsandros
Tue May 21, 2019 5:19 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

FWIW, I have records, from USN target practices, of quite a few first salvo straddles on targets at ranges well over 20,000 yards, even before WWII. So such an occurrence, while unusual, was by no means unknown, especially if the first salvo pattern was fairly large. Bill Jurens I don't discount th...