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by alecsandros
Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:24 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly
Replies: 221
Views: 22944

Re: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly

Germany was preoccupied with quality, not quantity. They didn't have as many planes or pilots as the Allies, but they sure were very good. \ Were they? Seems like I've read a lot about the poor training of late war German pilots. Facts? Can you tell me how many planes/sortie those "poorly trained" ...
by alecsandros
Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:05 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly
Replies: 221
Views: 22944

Re: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly

I'm waiting for reply regarding the issues that I've raised. It wouldn't matter if I did. I can tell from your attitude that your mind is closed. You are one of those people that believe for whatever reason that if it's German it's automatically the best. Quite the contrary. I'm waiting for facts f...
by alecsandros
Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:54 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly
Replies: 221
Views: 22944

Re: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly

And still, the German pilots overcame those obstacles and won again and again and again. So, basically you are saying that an Allied pilot who never sees a German aircraft should still be able to achieve the same number of victories as a German pilot who sees his opponents every time he flies. Ther...
by alecsandros
Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:44 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly
Replies: 221
Views: 22944

Re: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly

There is no question that German fighters pilots put up some prodigious victory scores. However, there are factors which must be taken into account when comparing their achievements to those of pilots from other nations. As as rule, the high-scoring German pilots flew hugely greater numbers of sort...
by alecsandros
Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:03 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly
Replies: 221
Views: 22944

Re: Villers Bocage: don´t be fooled by the Firefly

People who have actually studied Wittman's kills don't seem to think the numbers were that high for the one day. For one thing, they don't seem to agree with actual losses. There is no doubt he was a skillful tank commander ... maybe the best, but he wasn't fighting materially equal opponents. He w...
by alecsandros
Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:00 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm
Replies: 42
Views: 4724

Re: Tirpitz and Vittorio Veneto

RF wrote:
Bgile wrote:
boredatwork wrote:I would argue the 'truth' is probably a combination of all 3.
Absolutely agree with this post.
I would concur with this as well.
Full year agree. This and Karl's extensive post are excellent points of view.
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:14 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm
Replies: 42
Views: 4724

Re: Tirpitz and Vittorio Veneto

They didn't have to worry about the Italians "breaking out". The Italian BBs weren't going outside the Med and weren't contesting British heavy units for the most part. Of course the Italian's wouldn't break out. But still, they posed a big threat to allied convoys, expeditionary forces and British...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:05 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm
Replies: 42
Views: 4724

Re: Tirpitz and Vittorio Veneto

"Bismarck had already received at least 8, if not 12 torpedoes and lots of heavy shells", Liddell Hart, History of the Second World War, vol 1, pg 495. There were the destroyer attacks (during the night and during the last battle), and Dorsetshire fired 4 torpedoes, not 2. Norfolk also launched its ...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 15, 2009 5:52 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm
Replies: 42
Views: 4724

Re: Tirpitz and Vittorio Veneto

The mistaken assumption is that the British BBs were badly needed elsewhere. Where do you think they were so needed? In the Mediteranean, for instance. Lacking armoured protection, 2 large convoys (operations "Vigorous" and "Harpoon")heading for Malta where severely crippled in 1942. And in Asia - ...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm
Replies: 42
Views: 4724

Re: Tirpitz and Vittorio Veneto

When talking/writing about such important historical issues, I think that clarity of thought and understanding are essential for learning. That being said, please excuse my numerous quotations and long post: alecsandros: Bismarck was not, as James Cameron regarded in his documentary: "The Death Star...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:17 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm
Replies: 42
Views: 4724

Bismarck's Class status quo in the BB realm

Reading various posts on the forum, I've seen 3 points of view regarding's Bismarck's class status quo in the BB realm: 1. Very good ship, good design, impressive toughness, good speed, very good artillery (range, rate of fire, precision), "best ship in the Atlantic" 2. Good ship, good speed, good v...
by alecsandros
Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:48 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Gneisenau & Scharnhorst vs. Alaska & Guam
Replies: 18
Views: 9198

Re: Gneisenau & Scharnhorst vs. Alaska & Guam

Yes, in terms of kinetic impulse, both the 11" and the 12" guns looked ok. But in practice, the 330kg german shells proved to lack the punch necessary for destroying armoured opponents. It's not that they can't pierce armour - they sure can - but once they got inside, their explosion was far smaller...
by alecsandros
Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:51 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Gneisenau & Scharnhorst vs. Alaska & Guam
Replies: 18
Views: 9198

Re: Gneisenau & Scharnhorst vs. Alaska & Guam

I'm not sure if either 12' or 11' guns where capable of doing enough damage for sinking a heavily armoured ship. The German combat record using 283mm is disapointing - to say the least - when fighting against units such as BC Renown or BB Duke of York. Beyond that, even if I'm a KGM fan, American da...
by alecsandros
Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:41 pm
Forum: Naval Technology
Topic: Scharnhorst and Nelson. Same weight, very different power
Replies: 39
Views: 8535

Scharnhorst and Nelson. Same weight, very different power

Hello all, I've been reading for several days on your board and it's great! So many nice info and pictures mostly about world war 2 naval battles - one of my oldest hobbies. I hope I can contribute to this forum's development. ================= My first post is concerned with the relationship betwee...