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by alecsandros
Thu May 30, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

HMSVF wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 6:24 pm


As I said it’s a very pro German thesis.
It's the simple truth.
The endless debates here and in other places are simple modes of explaining away a tactical error, but one executed with good intentions and based on the available information, which was incorrect.
by alecsandros
Thu May 30, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

We don’t know whether standing off and entering 20 km exchange would have been better. It is not about working better, it's about doing the correct thing according to tactical situation and orders. As it was, Leach was simply extremely lucky that day, firstly by not being killed on the spot by a sh...
by alecsandros
Thu May 30, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

It's a difficult situation to observe,
but don't make it hindsight please.
Capt. Leach was there under orders. Was he under orders to disengage after loss of Hood ?
Who was second in command after Holland was gone ? Did Capt. Leach receive orders to disengage from the second in command or not ?
by alecsandros
Thu May 30, 2019 12:33 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Hi Alec, I fully agree on the tactic you suggest. Re. the number of available guns what you say is correct in case we accept that the shell ring would have jammed even in case of a "smooth" turn to port to open range instead of as a result of the hard turn to disengage.... In case the smooth turn w...
by alecsandros
Thu May 30, 2019 10:08 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

@Wadinga while not thining Capt Leach was a coward, I do not consider his decision to disengage as a 'good' one. A better option would have been steadiyng at 20km from the enemy and pounding away with his 5 working heavy guns. But with the info he possesed at 6:00, that's what he thought was best fo...
by alecsandros
Thu May 30, 2019 10:04 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

@Wading I'm writing this from my cell phne, in the hospital. The percentage of misfires for Prinz Eugen can't be plotted on the time axis because there are no data for that. The KTB says one turret missed 13 consecutive salvos, indicating some sort of a jam or other mechanical problem. Other 2 turre...
by alecsandros
Wed May 29, 2019 8:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Was this not a similar problem that DoY had at North Cape and if so it is surprising that this was not altered? I don't think the turrets could be made water proof, no matter how much they tried. All navies had trouble with that. Prince of Wales was attacking head on, and had much trouble coming fr...
by alecsandros
Wed May 29, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Alberto Virtuani wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 7:43 pm

..very annoying for someone, who would have preferred the comfortable "fog of war", apparently...


Bye, Alberto
Yes, and if anybody goes "up" high enough, there wouldn't even be any battle of DS at all... After all, what's a few minutes in history.....? :D
by alecsandros
Wed May 29, 2019 7:38 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

The problem is not the theory or a specific opinion, but simply the circumstance that the theory is considered as fact. The procedure to do so is irrational/non-scientific (e.g. taking parts of the theory, for example the track reconstruction, to prove other parts of the theory). There is no point ...
by alecsandros
Wed May 29, 2019 7:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

@Wadinga During second action, Prince of wales fired 12 salvoes (of 4 to 5 guns each) totalling 48 ordered shots, of which 41 shots actually fired, and 7 shots misfired. We can not compare that to Prinz Eugen on a per shell basis, because the battleship and cruiser used different shells, in terms of...
by alecsandros
Wed May 29, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

@Wadinga Everybody is discussing 6:00, but nobody wants to look at 18:00 , on May 24th... Who looks there finds Prince of Wales effective output of 85% , the same as Prinz Eugen' s. === For Bismarck versus Prince of Wales, all available accounts show the gunnery output in the relevant time frames , ...
by alecsandros
Wed May 29, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

So far, of course, my simple question still awaits a cogent response. B Dear Byron, as an opinion , as uninformed as it might seem or be, my suggestion is to try to create a less aggravating dialogue, with less explicit demands. I know that the solidity of a house rests on the solidity of it's foun...
by alecsandros
Mon May 27, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 15161

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Gentlemen, I am nearing the outer end of my limited window of posting on Kbismarck (I have , maybe 1 week left, maybe). Work and health issues are catching up with me, and sincerely diving into this type of debates is putting an emotional strain on me, that has been noticed by my family and colleagu...
by alecsandros
Sat May 25, 2019 6:30 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Hit on Bismarck's turret
Replies: 19
Views: 2497

Re: Hit on Bismarck's turret

You're thinking that the report about Bruno's back being blown off was somehow mis-remembered, as a time interval, and actually took place at 9:02 ? I don't think it would be impossible, especially as I have been told that ranges at 9:02 were around 16-17km, thus anything could happen. I remain rese...
by alecsandros
Sat May 25, 2019 6:26 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 18129

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

If "2nd engagement" means the few salvos between PoW and BS later that day, then this statistical comparison to the DS battle is not valid (very different sample size). During 2nd engagement, Prince of Wales fired 41 shots under director control (out of 48 ordered), versus 55 fired during first eng...