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by dunmunro
Thu May 30, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

single handed combat against two efficient ships, and Leach was correct to disengage from the 1st action before his ship's mobility was further impaired. The ships were not efficient. Prinz Eugen accumulated various problems of gunnery, and Bismarck was firing extremely slowly for a ship on rapid f...
by dunmunro
Thu May 30, 2019 6:49 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

We don’t know whether standing off and entering 20 km exchange would have been better. It is not about working better, it's about doing the correct thing according to tactical situation and orders. As it was, Leach was simply extremely lucky that day, firstly by not being killed on the spot by a sh...
by dunmunro
Wed May 29, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Gentlemen, Re this post by alecsandros: Throughout the engagement the conditions in "A" shell handling room were very bad; water was pouring down from the upper part of the mounting. Only one drain is fitted and became choked; with the result that water accumulated and washed from side to side as t...
by dunmunro
Mon May 27, 2019 7:44 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Fellow Contributors, Notwithstanding Phil's expert input, I hope the following will protect me: The default licence for most Crown copyright and Crown database right information is the Open Government Licence. I am not reproducing images from the NA Image library. I have made my own images of docum...
by dunmunro
Sat May 25, 2019 9:49 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Gentlemen, On the above page which gives the 'Working up' and completion dates it states: KGV started WU 10/12/40 completed 10/01/40 should this not be 10/01/41? Also for PoW WU 5/04/41 complete 17/05/41 These dates show approx 1 month working up to completion for KGV and approx 6 weeks for PoW, I ...
by dunmunro
Sat May 25, 2019 2:20 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

alecsandros wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 5:31 pm


Prinz Eugen's gunnery output during 1st engagement was 85%, and during second engagement unknown.
2nd engagement?
by dunmunro
Fri May 24, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: More on KGV Class main armament problems
Replies: 318
Views: 13865

Re: More on KGV Class main armament problems

Fellow Contributors, To mark the anniversary of the sinking of Hood here are some more items of original documentation. All are Crown Copyright. The first confirms that the gun trials carried out shortly before her first mission, gave the Admiralty representatives who were aboard the "impression" t...
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

[Commentary on Mr. Virtuani redacted WJJ.] Therefore while I will continue to contribute to the forum I will no longer respond to any of his posts.
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

So, now the RoF of 1.7 salvos/minute are referred to 13 minutes, not to 20 as per KGV GAR ? Speculation, but, if true, then also the straddles are referred to 13 minutes only, according to your "free interpretation", leaving a gap beytween 8:53 and 9:00.... Just admit that the Patterson's narrative...
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

KGV was at 16K yds at ~0900 and ~12k yds at 0913. 13 minutes at 1.7 salvos/minute = ~21 salvos. So you are now trying to claim that KGV achieved 14 straddles from 21 salvos, in addition to further straddles from 0853 onward. Or are you trying to say that KGV fired 34 salvos from 0900 to 0913? KGV wa...
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, is someone trying to find a "revenge" for the bad error made (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) ? A childish behavior IMO. Dunmunro wrote: "You have made a mistake here and appear to have misread the GAR...you have misread the GAR which itsel...
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Excuses for posting wrong info (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) ? None Waste of time ? Again and again... KGV_GAR.jpg and now, double excuses are strongly required.... Alberto, you have misread the GAR which itself contains a typo [ranges for the section II...
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Excuses ? You have made a mistake here and appear to have misread the GAR. Page 141: ...and despite the smoke the situation was situation was good and fourteen straddles were reported from 0854 and 0913. On page 144: ...However at 0853 a range of 20,500 yards was obtained and a double salvo spread ...
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Alberto Virtuani wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:38 pm
KGV GAR.... You know it very well...

Now, excuses please for having posted incorrect information (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) !
Give me the exact quote.
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 251
Views: 11563

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Alberto Virtuani wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:24 pm


KGV reported a straddle only from 20500 yards (before she had difficulties in estimating the range too) and then 14 straddles from 16000 to 12000 yards.
Source please.