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by dunmunro
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:43 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

Gentlemen, I'm going to try your patience once again! Going back to the original question of updating the KG's. In an earlier post which seems to have got lost in the debate about the seaworthiness of the KG class, I asked why that it was possible to build the 'Nelsons' with 3 x 16" turrets and sti...
by dunmunro
Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:13 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: 'QE' and 'R'class ships
Replies: 7
Views: 735

Re: 'QE' and 'R'class ships

Thanks for your reply, I often wonder when the 3 QE's were extensively rebuilt, the RN did not take the opportunity to 'Up engine' then (if there is such a word) and make them faster and even more heavily armoured, particularly as the 'Treaty was being ignored by most of the other nations'. This wo...
by dunmunro
Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:31 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Propulsion less torpedo
Replies: 8
Views: 573

Re: Propulsion less torpedo

Mmmm....I don´t quiet agree. In the mentioned site there is a picture of a launching, the "torpedo" was launched almost horizontally, question would be how far would the bare inertia take the torpedo before it goes to the bottom or comes to the surface, according to if it is hydrostatically positiv...
by dunmunro
Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:29 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

Too late for an edit. We also have to remember that PoW was being hit and near missed continually, with each near miss drenching parts of the ship with tons of seawater:

Brooks, In Alarm Starboard, recounts having the after director washed down by shell splashes.
by dunmunro
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:35 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wind Behavior: 0400 - 0600
Replies: 35
Views: 1853

Re: Wind Behavior: 0400 - 0600

marcelo_malara wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:25 am
Another synoptic chart:

Image

Norfolk 0400: BP 997.9

Norfolk 0800: BP 999.5

Suffolk 0800: BP 1003.3
by dunmunro
Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:16 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wind Behavior: 0400 - 0600
Replies: 35
Views: 1853

Re: Wind Behavior: 0400 - 0600

I'm certain that they stated true wind in the log. Here's a device to extract true wind from relative wind:

http://dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index ... d_Dumaresq
by dunmunro
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:26 am
Forum: Naval Weapons
Topic: Propulsion less torpedo
Replies: 8
Views: 573

Re: Propulsion less torpedo

I think they were used as mortars, but the concept is very similar to a DC thrower.
by dunmunro
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:10 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

I find it simultaneously fascinating and dismaying that this discussion has somehow morphed into a competition between the KGV design versus American battleships. I do not recall Dr. Brown mentioning anything whatsoever in that respect. Prince of Wales' DCT 15-ft rangefinder was quite unlikely to h...
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:20 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

Like Byron, I consider the opinion based on all the wartime experience garnered over time regarding all the ships of the class by D K Brown to be more valuable than the single trials experience of Constructor Pengelly. Quite so, Sean. Trials are customarily run in as good weather and smooth sea sta...
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:07 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

More ships at sea in dirty weather: RN carrier task force including a KGV class: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mwjrf0gZjIE watch the carrier taking it 'green'. USN during a 1945 Typhoon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTV0qIoJgYA USS Missouri in the 1980s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n_as89E...
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

Fellow Contributors, As I recall assertions that McMullen's memories were at fault mainly revolved around things he remembered when speaking to Tovey about things the Admiral might or might not remember correctly. I do not think anyone has seriously questioned or identified major faults in his acco...
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:24 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

Fellow Contributors, With regard to spray over the bow at Denmark Straits, McMullen has this to say: The story as far as I can remember is as follows. Y Turret was "wooded" as "A " arcs were not open. A rough sea and strong wind on the starboard bow together with our high speed resulted in a contin...
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:02 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Wind Behavior: 0400 - 0600
Replies: 35
Views: 1853

Re: Wind Behavior: 0400 - 0600

PoW 0400: Wind N Force 4 Sea 32

Norfolk 0400: Wind N Force 5 Sea 32

Suffolk 0400: Wind NNE Force 7 Sea 22

unfortunately, the log entries are made every 4 hours.
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:12 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

After their 1944 re-fits, the standard displacements of the surviving KGV's grew from approx 35,500 tons to 39,500-40,000 tons. As a result, the ships operating with the British Pacific Fleet displayed very wet behavior compared to US battleships (Iowas, IIRC) sailing in company. I'm still hunting ...
by dunmunro
Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:36 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: Updating the KGV class
Replies: 77
Views: 4597

Re: Updating the KGV class

According to Prinz Eugen's KTB, the Denmark Strait action was fought in Beaufort Force 4 wind conditions (Moderate Breeze - 11-16 knots out of the NW), reducing to Beaufort Force 3 ( Gentle Breeze - 7-10 knots out of the E) sometime around 0600 hours. The principal sea state feature was a residual ...