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- Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:14 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Refitting of ships - Armor?
- Replies: 21
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Re: Refitting of ships - Armor?
Better yet would be the complete removal of the old main armoured deck and structure and replacing it with a single plate of new material comprizing both structural and ballistic functions from the same weight. Better, but of course more expensive in terms of labor and resources. Of course, when on...
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:53 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Refitting of ships - Armor?
- Replies: 21
- Views: 14402
Re: Refitting of ships - Armor?
I was wondering about that (The inefficiency of layered armor) as well Dave. I was wondering if there was perhaps a way when the additional armor was added that it could have made it more effective than 2 separate layers, such as perhaps welding the layers together.
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:24 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: De-Capping Layer
- Replies: 24
- Views: 16837
Re: De-Capping Layer
Interesting info, thank you for the help gentlemen.
Of course feel free to post any additional info!
Of course feel free to post any additional info!
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:04 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Refitting of ships - Armor?
- Replies: 21
- Views: 14402
Re: Refitting of ships - Armor?
So from the info you have there, Aurora, it looks as though if armor was added, it was indeed of the newer type. Any info on armor being replaced as opposed to just added on? And I wonder what 3" of armor over 3" would do. If the older armor was per Okun's calculations a .90 quality, and t...
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:58 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: The Case For (Or Against) Armoured Flight Decks in WW2
- Replies: 40
- Views: 22224
Re: The Case For (Or Against) Armoured Flight Decks in WW2
Wasp was also lost due to AVGAS explosions; no closed hangars there. Franklin was nearly lost due to her fires and it seems certain that if she replaced Yorktown at Coral Sea or Hornet at Santa Cruz, and suffered her historical 1945 damage, that she would have been lost. Franklin only survived beca...
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:08 am
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Comparisons of Axis vs Allied Combat Vessels
- Replies: 68
- Views: 50065
Comparisons of Axis vs Allied Combat Vessels
One thing I've noticed when comparing combat ships of Axis vs. Allies, and in particular when comparing the "newer" designs of countries (meaning those commissioned within 5-10 years prior to the start of the war or during the war) - We often have very little data on how the Allied ships p...
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:22 am
- Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
- Topic: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5636
Re: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
Well, looking back at it, I was thinking when it was still making 20 knots, but that was after 11 torpedoes. She had lost about 12 feet of freeboard by this time.
- Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:56 am
- Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
- Topic: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5636
Re: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
When a ship is hit by 20 torpedoes and sinks, that does not mean it would take 20 torpedoes to sink the ship. \ That is indeed true - however, as these were hits over time, not all at once, the Musahi had ample opportunity to sink between hits. I think she had taken around 15 by the last attack - a...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:51 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: Refitting of ships - Armor?
- Replies: 21
- Views: 14402
Refitting of ships - Armor?
When a battleship would be re-fitted, for instance as the Kongo class was numerous times, or when the US battleship damaged at Pearl were brought back into action, was the armor also replaced? For instance, if you have a ship from 1918 vintage that is refitted in 1942, does it have armor of the earl...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:12 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: De-Capping Layer
- Replies: 24
- Views: 16837
De-Capping Layer
I'm curious what info we have out there about the de-capping layer of the New Jersey class for instance, but my understanding is the Littorrio class had one as well. From what I understand, this was not designed as a de-capping layer in either of the two vessels. For the New Jersey class, it was a d...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:27 pm
- Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
- Topic: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5636
Re: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
There is a huge difference between 4 hits on the same side of the ship at the same time and a lot of hits on both sides over several hours. I understand that. The Yamato though took torpedoes concentrated on the port side in rapid sucession. THe attacks were roughly over 2 hours in total duration -...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:39 pm
- Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
- Topic: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
- Replies: 7
- Views: 5636
Re: Sealion II hits Yamato instead of Kongo
Can't compare the Yamato to the Shinano. Best comparison is to the Musahi, or even the Yamato herself when sunk. The Yamato took 3 sets of about 4 torpedoes over a few hours. First set did little other than causing a slight list and require flooding. Second set slowed her and required more counterfl...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:32 pm
- Forum: Naval Technology
- Topic: The Case For (Or Against) Armoured Flight Decks in WW2
- Replies: 40
- Views: 22224
Re: The Case For (Or Against) Armoured Flight Decks in WW2
I'd say an armored flight deck's importance varies by the needs of that nation. For Instance, it would have been great for Japan if the Ships of Kido Butai would have had armored flight decks from the beginning of the war for a few major reasons: 1) Survivability - Japan did not have a large industr...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:06 pm
- Forum: Naval History in General
- Topic: The Greatest Naval Battle in History
- Replies: 257
- Views: 287235
Re: The Greatest Naval Battle in History
Japan would have to be defeated in major battle somewhere. Wherever that battle happens it would be a major significant event. Or it could have been defeated in a battle of attrition not requiring a "major" battle such as the Solomon's campaign. Lose a ship here and there, some planes her...
- Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:13 pm
- Forum: Naval History in General
- Topic: The most successful and most unsuccessful Warships
- Replies: 150
- Views: 116744
Re: The most successful and most unsuccessful Warships
4 Torpedoes, in quick succession on the same side of the ship, each carrying a 668 lb Torpex warhead. While it's true that she wasn't combat ready in any sense of the word, I doubt any ship of that era would have survived that. Well, the Navy should have been using the Mod 10 version of the Mark 13...