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by Steve Crandell
Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

At 6:00, Prince of WAles had 9 operational guns, and Bismarck's volume above the waterline was completely vulnerable to hits. Prince of Wales already managed 3 hits in 6 minutes, at far larger ranges than the ones in existence at 6:00. They knew 1 gun was out of action, so 9 operational. The ship f...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:57 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

Dunkerque and Kirishima are the first that come to mind, but there are plenty of examples coming from the Battle of Jutland. If you are including Kirishima as one of your examples you should also include South Dakota, which was hit 26 times in the same engagement at the same range without suffering...
by Steve Crandell
Fri Feb 28, 2014 5:00 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

No, that would work as well, but I was referring to the turn to starboard to avoid the wreckage of Hood. It would have put PoW and Bismarck very quickly on reciprocal courses and would have made Bismarck's fire control solution more difficult than it was in the actual event. Suffolk in particular wo...
by Steve Crandell
Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:46 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

Actually I've been thinking that continuing the starboard turn would have been a good idea because the Germans would have been forced to turn around as well if they wanted to continue the engagement and it would have immediately added the two British cruisers to the fight.
by Steve Crandell
Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:00 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

More, I do not consider 06.03 being correct because it was 06.01 and 30 seconds the retreat exact moment with the 160 degrees turn away to port. ... As a personal note, my opinion is that the decision to disengage came immediately after Hood blew up, at 6:00:30 or so. Prince of Wales was to navigat...
by Steve Crandell
Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:56 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

I don't believe it's possible for Capt Leach to react that fast. The report claims that one minute after the bridge was hit he decided to withdraw temporarily from the battle. I'd be somewhat surprised if he even knew where he was one minute after the bridge was hit. Does the angle of the bridge hit...
by Steve Crandell
Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:15 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal
Replies: 90
Views: 9658

Re: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal

I am thinking that the 1.3 spmpg obtained by USS Washington shows a rather deliberate firing, with long intervals for observations of fall of shot and corrections. This is because: 1) I believe the triple 16" turrets were capable of higher sustained rate of fire , at least for short battles 2) the ...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:42 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal
Replies: 90
Views: 9658

Re: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal

Another interesting thing about the action report is the level of training reported for Washington's gunnery crews. Only one night gunnery drill had ever been conducted and that was 10 months previous. The last time any gunnery drill had been conducted was 6 months previous. Fortunately battle prac...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:56 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal
Replies: 90
Views: 9658

Re: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal

Concentration firing meant all ships were firing at maximum possible rof, with each ship output, spmpg and hpmpg being measured and compared to her consorts. I think you are referring to exercises during WWI, where the targets were very close, and they were scored primarily for rate of fire. This d...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:34 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

Obviously we can find statements completely at odds with each other, and succeeding statements are sometimes made in an effort to make these conflicting statements match with what seems, after the fact, to have actually happened. These inconsistencies don't necessarily represent falsehoods. I seriou...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:20 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal
Replies: 90
Views: 9658

Re: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal

alecsandros wrote:The important mention to make is that we do not know the spgpm figure of the night firings. Most likely it was higher than the one achieved by the USS Washington in the real battle.
Why? In training they often fire more slowly than in actual combat.
by Steve Crandell
Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:37 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal
Replies: 90
Views: 9658

Re: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal

. It is entirely pointless to compare WW2 training/exercise firing rates and accuracy with real life. . The USN rate of fire might have been slower in actual combat before WWII, when ranges were artificially short, but as the war progressed shoot ranges got a lot longer. There are all sorts of exam...
by Steve Crandell
Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:53 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal
Replies: 90
Views: 9658

Re: USS South Dakota at Guadalcanal

The reason they walked the salvos across the target is that they weren't getting any radar spots on shell splashes. They wanted to be sure that some of the salvos had an MPI centered on Kirishima. That doesn't mean they weren't straddling with every salvo. They were shooting through the target at th...
by Steve Crandell
Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

So this occurred arguably when Leach was opening the range but preparing to re-engage Bismarck, having turned partway back toward her. He learned Y turret shell ring was jammed and decided to disengage.

Why is this sequence not logical?
by Steve Crandell
Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:34 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War
Replies: 1950
Views: 126124

Re: Denmark Strait and RN Articles of War

My friend you are surely referring to your well known photo Nh 69731 and not Nh 69725 when you talk of the 2 shell splashes. :oops: :oops: :oops: Of course...NH69731..how could I make that mistake! :oops: :oops: :oops: With regards to my questions....all I can say is...asked and answered...thanks! ...