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Hi Tom, I'm surprised the gun nuts haven't latched onto this thread yet. All the disciples of Nathan Okun should be interested in this shell's performance. I was considering that if I am right and the shell exploded outboard, why isn't there shrapnel damage outboard to inboard on the ADO station? Ho...

All, Sam Wood's description makes it clear to me that the Compass Platform hit or the DCT support hit (if they were the same salvo) exploded somewhere on the outboard of the ship. Brooke says this was so. The photos of the Compass Platform exit and ADO exit indicate an intact shell leaving the metal...

Hi Antonio, I would suggest using the damage photos on the Hood site to refine your shell path very slightly. It looks to me like it exits exactly through the rear port corner, ie to port of the door in and out from the Compass platform. Re-posting Sam Woods' account is very valuable, as it highligh...

Hi Alberto, If the communications from the Compass Platform were still working, there would be no need to transfer to the Conning Tower, would there? We know communications to/from McMullen weren't working for instance. Leach needs the best possible view of the action, but he needs to be where he ca...

Hello Ray - McDonald, Oddly enough precisely the same impractical suggestion involving transporting Bismarck's massive anchors and chains halfway down the ship's length was suggested in 2012 on page 3 of this very thread by another Ray, Ray Mc....Lain. All the arguments that applied then apply now. ...

Hi Alberto, Back in the days of the early ironclads, the Steering Wheel on the Upper deck might well be surrounded by an armoured redoubt, and the Captain expected to go in there with the helmsman. cf HMS Warrior. If you check your drawings of PoW I would expect you can find the actual location of t...

Hi Alberto, Thanks for posting two more really useful drawings :clap: :clap: :clap: The sentence I quoted comes from Leach's narrative. He knows where he went, not the writer of this eulogistic biography which has so enraged you and Antonio and thus motivated the Megathread. I notice he also says Le...

Hello Alberto, Thanks for the nice drawing, but you have to double the distance travelled on the obstacle course. When the debris on the bridge had been cleared away, damage was found to be less than at first thought and conning, which had been carried out in the upper conning tower , was resumed on...

Hello Paul and others, I think there are two distinct turns. The first in which the inclination change allows Albrecht and the airman to identify Hood, and the second, seperately described by Busch and corroborated by Brooke, Coates and Hunter-Terry during which the first hit on PoW occurs, from PG,...

Hi Antonio, Don't "beat yourself up" so much about things, sometimes things we blame/credit ourselves for items which are not our fault :D You say You want an example, ... I wrote Norfolk fired at Denmark Strait on my 2005 article. Everybody else writing about DS battle after copied from i...

Hello All, Here is the first 2Blue turn as seen from Prinz Eugen from Im Ersten Gefecht by Fritz-Otto Busch By chance, both Englishmen open the angle a bit, and as their turret salvoes flash, the artist exclaims his sudden recognition: “This is certainly the ‘Hood’! Man alive, the ‘Hood’! I know her...

Hi Antonio, Once again I think it is pushing it a bit to suggest Busch in his 1958 book adds things he didn't see, simply because Grenfell might have mentioned them in a book Busch might have read. You are still not admitting that Brookes, Coates and Hunter-Terry all say PoW was turning to port at t...

For Everybody, Since the general overview has migrated to this thread here is what was posted by Dunmunro in July last year on the Megathread (and I have posted several times before when I introduced Antonio to Brooke's fascinating book) Another salvo had just gone when I heard Guns warn his directo...

Hi Antonio, It is a little unreasonable to dismiss Busch's 1958 English language record of a port turn before the starboard avoidance simply because it is not in his earlier German language work. If he says the British were turning to port when Hood blew up, that is his evidence. I made an error and...

Hi Antonio, Surely in fact the situation is slightly different and should be as as per your "Not Downloaded" 4_cables.jpg? This official diagram applies only to the situation before 05:55, (actual open fire 05:53- more conspiracy?) and the turn of 20 degrees to port which would have brough...