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by Saltheart
Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:36 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: H class guns on Tirpitz
Replies: 25
Views: 5353

Re: H class guns on Tirpitz

I'm not so sure about the 3 belt hits; the 3 expeditions recorded different things. Also, eye-witnesses from Rodney testified about 4-5 shells in a row exploding against Bismarck's freeboard tearing huge pieces of armor plate. 50% of North Carolina was vulnerable to destroyer fire, and thus to floo...
by Saltheart
Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:39 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: H class guns on Tirpitz
Replies: 25
Views: 5353

Re: H class guns on Tirpitz

- North Carolina under fire from KGV/ROdney/Norfolk/Dorsetshire would explode within minutes, as the main belt was 305mm thick Class A armor and did not provide enough protection against 14" and 16" below 20km in any probable obliquities. The main magazines would be perforated and destroyed fairly ...
by Saltheart
Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:33 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: H class guns on Tirpitz
Replies: 25
Views: 5353

Re: H class guns on Tirpitz

Even with the H class you see the same kind of thing. Fully laden it would have been 62,000 tons, 5000 more than an Iowa while being slower, less powerfully armed, shorter range and far less turret and barbette armor. The US seemed to get a lot more for their displacement with their designs. Hello,...
by Saltheart
Wed Jun 22, 2011 10:07 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: H class guns on Tirpitz
Replies: 25
Views: 5353

Re: H class guns on Tirpitz

The 16" gun was considered but rejected mainly for political reasons. At the time the only European battleships with 16" guns were the Nelsons and it was thought for the time being that a German design with 16" guns would be seen as a challenge directed toward the British. This was an impression th...
by Saltheart
Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:55 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: H class guns on Tirpitz
Replies: 25
Views: 5353

Re: H class guns on Tirpitz

RobertsonN said "As related in various books (Breyer, Whitley) the Bismarck was originally planned to have 8 33 cm guns. This later changed to 35 cm, which was considered to have fully satisfactory penetrative capabilities for expected battle ranges. The 38 cm was substituted at a fairly late stage....
by Saltheart
Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:56 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: H class guns on Tirpitz
Replies: 25
Views: 5353

H class guns on Tirpitz

The H class turret weighed nearly 1500 tons as against 1050 for a Bismarck class turret. The Tirpiz could have mounted 8 16 inch guns with a total greater ship weight of about 2000 tons more. Even after strengthening of bulkheads and barbettes the weight increase wouldn't have been much more than th...
by Saltheart
Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:10 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Tirpitz shelling New York
Replies: 132
Views: 28141

Re: Tirpitz shelling New York

Yes I agree, she would have had a lot to evade. I knew about the 3 British fast capital ships but that's two less than the Royal Navy had when Bismarck sailed. I didn't know both US fast battleships were in the Atlantic, I thought only one of them. Oh well so that does put the odds back to 5 - 1. Bu...
by Saltheart
Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:26 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Tirpitz shelling New York
Replies: 132
Views: 28141

Tirpitz shelling New York

Not trying to offend any Americans! Just saying in Feb of 1942 Tirpitz heads out on an Atlantic mission and everyone thinks it's after convoys. But the Captain has sealed orders on board only to be opened if he breaks out succesfully. These orders tell him to carry out a bombardment operation agains...
by Saltheart
Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:23 pm
Forum: World War II
Topic: May 10
Replies: 104
Views: 24676

Re: May 10

Bgile said: "I've come to believe that responses to my posts are coming closer and closer to ridiucle and direct personal attacks. I'm not having fun here anymore ... Karl was probably right when he posted here a long time ago to the effect that there is no place here for people who don't believe in...
by Saltheart
Sun Jun 19, 2011 8:43 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck vs. Iowa
Replies: 322
Views: 70997

Re: Bismarck vs. Iowa

"Well, the 12 boilers were grouped into 6 different watertight compartments, and the turbines were divided into 3 turbine rooms. The internal subdivision was very good..." Oh okay, that does make things a lot better then. It gives the Tirpitz far more of a fighting chance than I actually feared in t...
by Saltheart
Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:47 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck vs. Iowa
Replies: 322
Views: 70997

Re: Bismarck vs. Iowa

"according german general tactics no enemy firing on own ship was left unresponsed. The 1st AO decide to shot mixed HE shell and semi AP shell to deal with the large unprotected areas and slightly armored structural parts and waterline of the US ship." I get that HE and semi AP could do damage to Io...
by Saltheart
Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:54 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck vs. Iowa
Replies: 322
Views: 70997

Re: Bismarck vs. Iowa

Hi, thanks for the welcome. A lot of what you said I agree with. I was also thinking Tirpitz would have a higher rate of fire, probably in the order of 3 salvos for every 2 by Iowa and that that could play a major role in the outcome. I was also thinking that even if Tirpitz couldn't cleanly penetra...
by Saltheart
Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:52 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck vs. Iowa
Replies: 322
Views: 70997

Re: Bismarck vs. Iowa

If there was a situation where the Iowa, soon after comissioning, went for a patrol with a few escorting destroyers in the North Sea in say August 1943 then a fight with Tirpitz might have happened. Lets say Tirpitz is out on it's own on a trip to improve crew training and test the guns a bit. Iowa ...