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by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 6:30 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

[Commentary on Mr. Virtuani redacted WJJ.] Therefore while I will continue to contribute to the forum I will no longer respond to any of his posts.
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 5:23 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

So, now the RoF of 1.7 salvos/minute are referred to 13 minutes, not to 20 as per KGV GAR ? Speculation, but, if true, then also the straddles are referred to 13 minutes only, according to your "free interpretation", leaving a gap beytween 8:53 and 9:00.... Just admit that the Patterson's narrative...
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 10:14 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

KGV was at 16K yds at ~0900 and ~12k yds at 0913. 13 minutes at 1.7 salvos/minute = ~21 salvos. So you are now trying to claim that KGV achieved 14 straddles from 21 salvos, in addition to further straddles from 0853 onward. Or are you trying to say that KGV fired 34 salvos from 0900 to 0913? KGV wa...
by dunmunro
Mon May 20, 2019 9:31 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, is someone trying to find a "revenge" for the bad error made (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) ? A childish behavior IMO. Dunmunro wrote: "You have made a mistake here and appear to have misread the GAR...you have misread the GAR which itsel...
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Excuses for posting wrong info (http://www.kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) ? None Waste of time ? Again and again... KGV_GAR.jpg and now, double excuses are strongly required.... Alberto, you have misread the GAR which itself contains a typo [ranges for the section II...
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 10:10 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Excuses ? You have made a mistake here and appear to have misread the GAR. Page 141: ...and despite the smoke the situation was situation was good and fourteen straddles were reported from 0854 and 0913. On page 144: ...However at 0853 a range of 20,500 yards was obtained and a double salvo spread ...
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 9:42 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Alberto Virtuani wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:38 pm
KGV GAR.... You know it very well...

Now, excuses please for having posted incorrect information (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) !
Give me the exact quote.
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 9:36 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Alberto Virtuani wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 9:24 pm


KGV reported a straddle only from 20500 yards (before she had difficulties in estimating the range too) and then 14 straddles from 16000 to 12000 yards.
Source please.
by dunmunro
Sun May 19, 2019 9:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, Dunmunro wrote: "I did compare straddle rates between KGV and PoW, especially to hi-light the handicap that PoW's radar failures imposed upon her" PoW straddled after 3 minutes from open fire from 21150 yards and straddled again every 2 minutes (despite not having any radar range a...
by dunmunro
Sat May 18, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Once again, I would ask members to at least try to maintain a reasonable and respectful tone in discussions here. We are clearly, once again, drifting away from that. As a personal note, even if very precise gunnery information was available for the firing rates and salvo intervals of various ships...
by dunmunro
Sat May 18, 2019 8:14 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Alberto, if you feel that posting here is a waste of time... Anyways, it really doesn't make much difference if there was a few typos in the data I posted. Since Rodney did demonstrate during the action that she could fire at two salvos/minute, and if her and KGV had a better sea state with better v...
by dunmunro
Sat May 18, 2019 7:30 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, you have posted wrong information, you have to prove them. I will not loose my time to counter such errors... I count 8 salvos from minute 9:00 till minute 9:05 and I can give you the sequence numbers: your .pdf is incorrect, check the original salvo plot. Bye, Alberto You claim th...
by dunmunro
Sat May 18, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, Dunmunro wrote: " from 0900-0905 Rodney fired 11 salvos and from 0918 to 0931 she fired 26 salvos." Why are you posting incorret information ? Would you mind posting the exact salvo sequence numbers fired from minute 9:00 till 9:05 (I count 8 of them on the original Rodney salvo pl...
by dunmunro
Sat May 18, 2019 2:16 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Indeed, Leach knew that he would be subjected to a huge volume of fire from both KM ships and could only engage Bismarck in return with his malfunctioning main battery as his secondary battery, which could produce a massive volume of fire, was completely silent. Captain Patterson on KGV, faced with ...
by dunmunro
Fri May 17, 2019 10:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941
Replies: 192
Views: 3090

Re: Message Traffic heard by RODNEY 24 May 1941

Hello everybody, "Turn your argument around and..." No, stay on topic () and finally admit you have stated another incorrect statement, trying to say that Rodney fired at a rate of 2 salvos/minute. Full Stop. Else admit that PoW fired 3 salvos/minute... Bye, Alberto This is what I stated earlier: w...