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Hello Again timz, For a zoomable Great Circle map of North Atlantic try and access www.loc.gov/resource/gdcwdl.wdl_06778/?r=0.445,0.057,0.478,0.303,0 This has useful information about the projection and shows the convergence of lines of longitude and curvature of lines of latitude. All the best wadi...

For those interested try kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t ... ontroversy to find the thread. (kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8254&hilit=controversy)

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Hi timz, Let me congratulate you on a very interesting first post, I hope you will enjoy contributing and reading this Forum. The thread named D/F Controversy was discussed in 2018 kbismarck.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8254 but unfortunately some of the information you seek may not be currentl...

Hi All, During the refuelling operation it is certain there would have been crew operating on the upper deck, likely including the f'castle and the temporary erection of the railings would be a standard safety precaution. The exposure of the waterline band here suggests the ship is at the top of a p...

Hi All, The descriptions by survivors of Bismarck listing heavily to port before any action on the 27th took place and the denial that Vian's destroyers made any torpedo hits, suggests to me that it was While all this was transpiring, 2P, flown by the indomitable Sub-Lieutenant(A) A. W. D. Beale rea...

Hi All, Related to this, I am intrigued that, even prior to the final battle, Bismarck seems to have had a pronounced list to port. The Baron notes a considerable list, and in the survivor testimony one says: During this period the ship had a marked list to port so that the 15 cm turrets were in the...

Hi Cag, Great to see you back on the Forum. I too think that "sympathetic salvage" is the only way to go. It is frankly impossible to maintain the "sanctity" of these designated "War Graves" in international waters or to defend "ownership" of the wreck against...

Hi All, Oh....well.....whatever. Returning to Marcelo's original post, according to Staff's Battle of the Seven Seas which is based on German Official reports and Scheer's book, Hipper did turn to "make a stand", after running away at maximum speed for several hours, when he realised the t...

Hi Byron and all, Having referenced the inaccuracies in Scheer's description of Dogger Bank and since I possess the book, I am well aware Skagerrak is covered in less detail than some other works. However Scheer's misrepresentations and creations of alternate facts (heroic liberties) are not errors ...

Hi All, If any further evidence were needed apart from Friedman's inciteful assessment, Scheer's own writing is available, from his own self-serving and downright inaccurate account of Skaggerak which some Teutonophiles might prefer to accept uncritically, rather than admit its numerous distortions ...

Hi Byron, You vastly underestimate your value at only one penny :D This original material is an extremely valuable contribution to the debate and genuinely appreciated by me, as it should be by all who post here. :clap: :clap: :clap: Given the poor visibility and Scheer's location vis a vis the head...

Hi All, In his highly imaginative post-war rewrite of reality, Scheer claimed his motive for actually turning his whole fleet back , not just a few destroyers, into the gunnery maelstrom was to rescue poor Wiesbaden . Norman Friedman, writing in Fighting the Great War at Sea, references the German O...

Hi Chuckfan3, There is a need to lower railings which might hinder or be damaged by weapons fire but they were left in place elsewhere. There are plenty of pictures of Prinz Eugen's crew taking the air on deck during the mission. I would suggest modelling the ship "closed up" for action. A...

Hi All, To return to a redesigned Bismarck , Hans is, of course correct. A firm decision was indeed made to switch to completely diesel propulsion for the H class as laid down and, shortly after allocation of the first resources and work on the keel, to abandon construction completely. M J Whitley i...

Hi All, Definitely concur with esteemed moderator. During this mission there was always the possibility of a breaking wave or aircraft strafing damaging unprotected glass, not to mention a forgotten deadlight allowing light out as a giveaway at night. Fresh air or natural daylight is an unnecessary ...