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Fellow Contributors, Can we be clear whether we are speculating about a location on the Main Deck or on the higher deck for these chained sections? A number of boat stowage locations are indicated on plans of this higher deck, where boat hulls overhang the deck edge, but in war service these fire ha...

Fellow Contributors, Hello Hans thanks for the photo. I believe you are indicating a location for the midships 105mm mount, where a small hinged three sided deck extension is used when the mount is swung outboard. Indeed this has chains but since two sides, forward and middle do not give the require...

Fellow Contributors, Yes Bill it contrasts markedly with some of what has gone on before and that vast improvement is purely down to the Moderator acting entirely appropriately and with commendable restraint under extreme provocation. It would be even better if we could tempt in more contributors wi...

Fellow Contributors, Thanks are due to Herr Nilsson who has provided a photograph showing the midships starboard 105mm mounting rotated to a "lookout" position, thus providing important evidence that unengaged mounts might be in such an orientation during DM. It very closely resembles the situation ...

Fellow Contributors, My original guesstimate for the angle ahead of the muzzle plane was simply by eye, but I would like to revise it down to 20 degrees. I have not attempted to evaluate the ellipses, since , in my opinion the photo quality is not good enough. However since the outer barrel overlaps...

Fellow Contributors, Having worked at sea myself for over a dozen years I can see where Byron is coming from. However, having taken quite a few photos during that time I have often been disappointed by how small vessels appear, even when comparatively close, when shot with the "standard" lens which ...

Fellow Contributors, P Gollins' observation is spot-on, the glib and clichéd phrase is particularly inappropriate for Denmark Straits. Hello Hans and welcome to the discussions. You may have discovered controversy has raged for some time over the relative positions, but it is always interesting to g...

To All, Like Frontkampfer I am 100% in support of Bill Jurens' actions and consider he has been a model of restraint although possibly a little too zealous, on occasion, in attempting to treat opposing parties absolutely equally. The campaign against him personally in attempting to undermine his app...

Fellow Contributors,

I think the Moderator should review Mr Jurens' posting in case somebody self-identifies as a purveyor of "revisionist" claptrap and takes offence.

All the best

wadinga

Fellow Contributors, The Moderator posted that he had reassessed my post and that he did not consider it was intended to offend. And neither was it. I very much appreciate his posting and his heroic attempts to demonstrate impartiality in difficult circumstances, including having to exclude parts of...

Mr Moderator I'm afraid I must complain about the suggestion I was "sniping", I particularly avoided anything even the most sensitive soul could take exception to. Please send me a PM if you will be so good, to explain where this happened. There is nothing "snide" in observing that drawings posted d...

Fellow Contributors, Byron has raised several points, but I believe that no matter how the image is enlarged and cropped in printing the relationship of the foreground element and Bismarck beyond remain the same. It would be nice to have a definite identity for the muzzles etc but we can only work w...

Fellow Contributors, I was indeed unwise in attributing any motive to the unwitting error in both drawings, for which I apologise and am suitably contrite Mr Moderator. For both submitters to make the same fundamental error shows it to be purely accidental, and shows how lucky we are to have someone...

Fellow Contributors, Unfortunately both these drawings make the same fundamental error: Assuming Bismarck is aligned with the line of sight from the photographer through the muzzle of the nearest gun. However the most cursory look at the actual image shows this is not true. Once again Mr Bonomi's me...

Fellow Contributors, This very drawing (download/file.php?id=3622) exactly shows courses 270° and 220° are well possible are impossible, which is probably why he chose not to resubmit it with Bismarck added and correctly aligned. Extending the line through the muzzles and putting Bismarck at a bow a...