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- Tue Dec 02, 2008 12:08 am
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
"Second guessing" is what we do here...that's the fun of it! :cool: Now...the (un)lucky torpedo hit to Bismarck 's rudders was due precisely to the fact that Lutjens had turned south out into the open Atlantic after Denmark Strait, giving time to the British to assemble its task forces, in...
- Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:14 pm
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
Quite striking the amount of heat and light this question has provoked.
Again, all I can say is, if Lutjens had pursued PoW and then turned for Norway I cannot imagine Bismarck could have fared any worse than she did at the end.
Again, all I can say is, if Lutjens had pursued PoW and then turned for Norway I cannot imagine Bismarck could have fared any worse than she did at the end.
- Sat Nov 29, 2008 7:43 pm
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
To me this is an obviously correct position. I cannot imagine that the difference in speed between PoW ( with no torpedos on board) is that decisive; and a troublesome main battery could have prevented the two German ships to at least reducing her to a floating uncontrollable charnel house. Ugly, bu...
- Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:29 pm
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
Glad to see my original post has given rise to so much discusssion and debate. :wink: Prescinding from the technical discussion concerning Bismarck versus Prince of Wales armor belts, shell quality, relative speeds, smokescreens, etc. I just cannot fathom how Admiral Lutjens thought that after the l...
- Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:04 am
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
Very interesting and proves that the battle is far from over. :wink: Seriously, the loss of Bismarck is ultimately due to the decision to send a modern dreadnought out on the high seas with only a new CA as companion (no carrier and destroyer screen, and no Uboats) with orders to avoid the one thing...
- Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:22 pm
- Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
- Topic: A Fundamental dilemma?
- Replies: 45
- Views: 6025
A Fundamental dilemma?
This question has been on my mind awhile. It relates to the fundamental dilemma facing the Kreigsmarine in WWII: told to prepare a balanced fleet by 1944 (Plan Z?) the KM found itself with a few units yet little overall ocean-going capability. Battle-cruisers and battleships sent out in "penny ...
- Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:47 pm
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
Alright then, it seems this discussion has come to a conclusion for me. I agree now with RF and accept his (and other's ) ideas on the decision to "fight the ship" even under adverse conditions. As before, I still hold to the opinion ( as does RF it seems) that the total absence of Lutftwa...
- Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:13 am
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
OK then, glad to see my post has stirred such a passionate and interesting discussion. Let's try another tack: given the reality that Bismarck was a ship-of-war; and that the German Navy might have acquired an image of scuttle and refusal to fight ( The mutinies ogf 1918, the scuttle at Scapa Flow i...
- Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:54 pm
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Re: Bismarck trapped
Better for whom? If we take your reasoning to its obvious conclusion, then Hitler would not have invaded Poland. What sort of madness is this? Uhhh..YES...it would have been better if Hitler had not invaded Poland..dont' you think? I definitely agree with Minoru; it would certainly have been better...
- Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:45 pm
- Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
- Topic: Bismarck trapped
- Replies: 135
- Views: 17971
Bismarck trapped
I can only imagine the psychological state of Bismarck's crew that last night as the reality of an unmanoeuverable ship; and little or no hope of rescue or relief in the face of the RN forces bearing down dawns upon them. The Admiral on board despatches his melodramatic "We will fight to the la...
- Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:02 am
- Forum: The Wreck of the Bismarck
- Topic: Bismarck Wreck Salvage
- Replies: 113
- Views: 160481
Re: Wreck salvage
I cannot for the life of me imagine how after 60 years a heavily damaged and disintergrated wreck of such weight and complexity could ever be raised. Perhaps as as been said, a gun. But no more.