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My closing remark for this thread, for the sake of good order - Byron Angel wrote (my numbering): "1)"Unsolicited" ? ..... Correct 2)"Unwelcome" ? ..... By you, certainly. 3)"No value" ? ..... Time will tell. " 1) quite fair :clap: 2) certainly ! 3) Here, instead, an authentic masterpiece of "misquo...

Alberto Virtuani wrote: ↑

Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:42 pm

...and to the unsolicited and unwelcome comments (bringing no value whatsoever to the discussion of the topic) too....

Bye, Alberto

"Unsolicited" ? ..... Correct
"Unwelcome" ? ..... By you, certainly.
"No value" ? ..... Time will tell.

B

Well ..... It has taken practically no time at all to return to what sadly appears to be the "regularly scheduled programming" of this forum.

Byron

Thanks for all this splendid detail and especially the interesting material on "dismantling shot". I imagine that chain, bar and double headed shot through higher initial mass, air drag and dissipation of energy must have been relatively short range weapons in comparison with conventional round sho...

Hi Wadinga, I avoid getting involved with Wikipaedia ..... too much in the way of politics and big egos for me. I tend to approach Wikipaedia material with caution. That is not however to say that I do not find a good deal of value therein, particularly with respect to finding good reference sources...

Hello Byron, Would it be fair to say that rather than the American 44 gun 24lbr heavy frigates were expressly designed to be individually superior to standard frigates of the 18lbr class. USS Constitution was actually deploying only 30 long barrel 24 pdrs because her other 22 guns were 32 pdr carro...

Hello Byron, It is true I somewhat condensed the account of President vs various other ships from the American Battlefield Site but the selection was solely to bring to light that the super/heavy frigates should be accepted as inherently superior to conventional frigates. Is that a point of content...

"By nightfall Endymion was able to close the gap, and poured devastating fire into President’s vulnerable rear quarter. A quick maneuver by Decatur laid both ships alongside one another, trading broadsides. The Americans targeted the British rigging to hasten their escape from the remaining British ...

Talking about prize money, I've always wondered what became of the British captains involved in the capture of the three Spanish treasure frigates off Cadiz in 1804. IIRC the Admiralty granted each captain prize money equivalent to about a million pounds sterling in today's value. Nice retirement ne...

Padfield's "Guns at Sea"! An old and very well thumbed copy sits on my bookshelf as well. A very good introduction to the evolution of naval gunnery in the RN. If you have not already seen them, you might find the following essays of interest - "... All Was Hushed Up" the Hidden Trafalgar"" by Micha...

Hi Wadinga, Interesting indeed. A couple of thoughts ..... [ 1 ] I wonder if the difference in attribution surnames might have been the result of a possible misreading of German "Fraktur" typescript (also represented in German cursive script) which was in common use at the time. I recall from my sch...

Hello Byron, Yes some British ships even had their extra studding sails deployed extending each yardarm further to try and catch more breeze, but with such wind as there was nearly astern, their forward motion reduced the "apparent wind" providing thrust. With a stronger wind, and maybe on or just ...

Fair comment about complications. British efforts to rescue German survivors of SMS Bluecher at Dogger Bank were called off after the dropping of an aerial bomb in the immediate vicinity by a German seaplane or dirigible (accounts differ).

Byron

And what happened to the reversed photo theory...? Is it included? Regards Hi Marcelo, I've not read Winklareth's book, but the reviewer does comment on the "reversed photo" matter as follows - "There is a comprehensive examination of the photographic evidence and the so-called 'reversed photo theo...

A superheavy projectile held some outer ballistics advantages but, U.S. Navy F-function wich was used for prediction of penetration in american fireeffect tables(Ordnance Sketch 78841) tend to predict a too low critical velocity for penetration at all impact angles above 20 degrees. The error was i...